I swear, every time most of the time I see someone being particularly rude, ignorant, and inappropriate on a post (usually political in origin, or they swing it to being political) I click on their profile and see it has been created that same day.
They are only there to sow discord. Only to piss people off. Idk if we can just report them (for what?) but I’d like to try exposing them before responding and interacting…
I am guilty of gobbling up the bait. I’ve started looking at profiles of people that piss me off exceptionally and noticed they’re burner bot loser accounts.
I guess i just want to say I’ve noticed it!
It’s those god damn cracka ass crackas taking up the black mans freedom of speech
No, Sounds like someone who can’t give a counter arguments, and instead reverts to crying about trolls, bots, and calling for the opposite side to be censored.
Yes. Especially in subs like “Canada” or any post involving Canada in any way
It does not matter what the topic of the thread or conversation is. It can be about how Canada loves puppies. And there will be random 1 or 2 liners from new accounts making political comments heavily pushing specific agendas. Even completely unrelated
Lots of random anti government misinformation and one liners pushing a specific party misinformation and narrative. Our how we’re some 3rd world collapsing country
It is not natural. Same thing occurs also on Reddit.
Use the report button when you see those, it’s the quickest way for them to be noticed by mods and admins.
People don’t report shit, then complain stuff goes unmoderated.
Like, you don’t have to report every single comment a troll makes, but at least report one so a mod looks at it
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Here’s a good example. An account I have blocked replied to me. If they go into a sub I moderate and start acting like a jackass, I’ll never know because I have them blocked.
The only way I’d see it, is if someone reported it.
This is why, when I was a reddit moderator (r/Firefox), I never blocked users even if they were absolute trash to me. I always thought of that as a severe limitation of the platform, there should be a setting to show blocked user’s content (labelled as such) in communities you moderate.
People do report stuff, get yelled at by the mods, and then get banned by the admins for abuse of the reporting system, or mod abuse for getting clarification.
So if you do what you are supposed to, you get banned.
Would be better if moderation was actually taken seriously and the admins don’t excuse terrible mod behavior.
Those sound like extremely edge cases and are not a good reason to not justify not reporting anything.
Moderators are volunteers and most of them simply want to make their communities better, so they do these reports seriously. Plus at this stage Lemmy lacks robust tools to help them accomplish this. The very least general users can do is flag problem comments and accounts to help them out.
There’s posts about mods complaining about users using the report button as a “super downvote” you go to those posts, there are people legit trolling in them and the content is still there.
The excuse is, Lemmy needs content, so they are very loose and liberal in applying moderation like that against users that add content.
I’ve had an admin defend a mod when I reported them with “they aren’t as bad as some of the others”. So Lemmy admins know they have moderation issues, if they fix it, they lose their content and their free labor. So they just turn a blind eye and let the mods do what they want, which is quite frankly nothing. And when asked they report you to the admins. They really only deal with illegal stuff unfortunately, since they have to or they can get in shit personally.
Trolls unfortunately add content, which is desperately needed. Some communities deal with it, larger let it go for discussion and metrics sake. Lemmy isn’t perfect, and we should be able to discuss its darker side.
Are you talking about Lemmy.ml specifically or Lemmy in general?
Ugghh that’s a good point, this was .world for admins, but the moderation issues seem to be non instance specific.
Also makes me wonder if some of the trolling is dealt with and its federation issues then…
Still, the amount of trolling comments, and users being banned for pretty frivolous things isn’t a good look.
There’s also a fine line between legitimate trolling and having unpopular or dissenting opinion. I’ve seen plenty of threads where 2 or more people are arguing about a given topic, and while the unpopular opinion isn’t being inflammatory or breaking any rules, they still get their comments removed after being down voted into the ground. It’s happened to me as well.
My only contention with this is finding a way to foster conversation without censoring opinions just because they’re not widely shared. As long as the argument is in good faith, mods shouldn’t be removing content they don’t agree with, only those that are inflammatory, overly insulting, blatant trolling/shilling, or breaking community rules.
I think it depends. You can be a really polite Baptist preacher being very earnest in !196 about how you think people should behave, and that’s just not what they want. Even in a discussion thread, writing a nonspecific defense of FGM, for example, is going to be offensive enough to probably disrupt the conversation, and I can see removing it.
I’m not suggesting that’s what’s happening; just saying that I like your idea, with some tweaks
Trolling is simply noise and garbage to dispose of when it becomes an attack on the person. It brings nothing of value and it diminishes the value of everything else it pollutes.
Trolling is simply noise and garbage to dispose of when it becomes an attack on the person.
Trolling doesn’t ONLY require personal attacks…. That’s the issue, mods only step in when things progress too far and have reached that point….
People do report stuff, get yelled at by the mods, and then get banned by the admins for abuse of the reporting system, or mod abuse for getting clarification.
What mods/admins are doing this? I would not stick around a community or instance run like this. Luckily with the Fediverse, you can choose what instances or communities you want to go to, you’re not stuck in the same way you were on Reddit. Use that power - don’t let abusive mods/admins be your host.
Moderating comments, even trolling is suppressing free speech. So it goes against the entire purpose of fediverse, it’s an issue with its own system. So people say to report them, but they won’t act on reports since just having an opinion that goes against the narrative can fall under free speech. And moderation it will create other issues.
Go elsewhere, smaller communities, less content, more moderation so less content, it’s all potential issues all the way down that are created by itself.
So it goes against the entire purpose of fediverse
The purpose of the Fediverse is not free speech or censorship-resistance. It’s more like to have a choice in your social media landscape and to make it more democratic, via users choosing what server to use. If you want a server that doesn’t supress free speech, join one like that or make it yourself. If you want a more strictly moderated server, go to one like that or make it yourself.
And yea your choice may not be as popular so maybe there’ll be less content, but you’ll be in the area you chose and maybe others will follow you over time.
Unpopular opinion but I rather downvote. I want to see people’s bad opinions instead of pretending they don’t exist.
Memba reddit comments circa 2016 election? I memba.
Oh me too! I ‘memba!
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It’s already getting like that over there. That’s why I’m here now. The last straw was a “Reddit Recommendation” that I join r/InternationalNews. I took a look around, and it was a hotbed of anti-Israel and anti-America content. There was the video of the university detonation from January 20th, posted that day and pinned to the top. When I commented on the date and provided the source, I was downvoted to oblivion, and eventually banned.
The sub was #7 under recommended news subreddits.
You’re not going to have much of a better time here if you like Israel and aren’t critical of the US. Lemmy is full of socialists lol
I’m educated enough on the history of the history of the conflict to know nothing about it is simple to resolve. The only strong opinions I have are Netanyahu =/= Israel and Hamas =/= Palestine, and hatred for an entire group of people is racist and ignorant.
The government’s job is to represent me. As a US citizen, it’s my job to criticize them when they don’t. I owe them no loyalty. They owe me representation.
“cOmPlExItY!1!1111!”
There’s nothing fucking complex about what needs be done with settler-colonial genociders and their collaborating swine; and if you think there is, you might be a fuckin settler
You should look a little deeper into the history of modern Israel and Zionism. It’s always been a colonial project that necessitates genocide of the local population. I’m not going to get further into it here as it’s not really the place for this and people have already done the work. If you haven’t seen shaun’s video id recommend at least giving it a watch. I’ll leave the iron wall as well. It’s a short essay from one of the founders of Zionism. His views were quite explicit and highly influential at the time and his legacy is obvious in modern Israel. And lastly The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine. It’s a good book that plainly lays out the history of the Zionist colonial project from 1917-2017. I’m only halfway through it but it’s worth your time. Or just watch the video, it’s cites both the essay and book (among other things) and ties it all together very well.
The government’s job is to represent me.
If you work for a living like the vast majority of us do, it isn’t the government’s job to represent you, and it never was. The US was born of a bourgeois revolution, and the Founding Fathers formed a bourgeois democracy, which was never meant to represent the working class, and never has. Princeton University Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
anti-Israel and anti-America content is cool actually
So are you racist or a nationalist? There’s a difference between criticizing Netanyahu and Biden, and entire nations of people.
Can we start treating the bullshit line of “I don’t hate the people I hate the government” for what it is? This is the 40th time in a row it’s been used by someone who absolutely does conflate a government and its people.
Not a single peckerwood that’s ever fixed their face to say “neither Washington nor Beijing” has Ever taken the former to task
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criticising Israel’s genocide of palestinians and consistent settlement of palestinian land going back 75 years and the American government unconditionally supporting them to do this for the last few decades regardless of political party isnt racist actually. I’m assuming you don’t think that just because I criticise the actions of the Russian government that makes me a white supremacist who hates all russian people.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist downvotes.
edit: im getting downvoted for saying genocide is bad and countries that commit genocide are bad lmao
It’s because redditoids are usually genocidal anglos from either an overt FIVE-EYES nation, or a vassal to a FIVE-EYES nation that desperately wants to be in the club. As one of those redditoids above mentioned, rather ironically I might add, “those with skewed moral cores don’t like being reminded of it by the upright”.
Vassal isnt the right word. Israel notoriously doesnt take orders from the US. Also I’m pretty sure they have a like a visitor pass to 5-eyes.
Vassal isnt the right word.
You’re not wrong, but calling what Amerika and Israel have an “ineffectually-dominated sugar baby relationship” deeply trivializes what the occupiers are doing to Palestine. As it is, I have no reason to believe Biden/the DNC don’t tacitly cosign what Israel’s doing, from how Biden just admonishes Bibi then sends them millions upon millions more dollars in materiel every month.
I think r/InternationalNews was mainly created as a place to discuss issues free from the rampant Zionism of r/WorldNews.
Happy to have people on Lemmy but I have to say, Lemmy as a whole seems way more anti-Israel than reddit right now. Although to be fair outside of r/WorldNews and a few other places, the general mood does seem to be shifting away from Israel pretty hard.
For me this is nice to see, because fuck Israel right to hell, but you’ll certainly see the same type of content here. I like that if people don’t like it they can make their own community or even an instance, and also that people are generally more free to disagree here (partially due to lax moderation I guess). You should have never been banned for that comment by the sound of it, absolutely stupid.
Recommended by who though? Spez, that’s who. Race-baiting works to increase “engagement” e.g. clicks and comments, thus it continues.
fuck u/spez
Being anti-Israel is based.
The government, not the citizens, as per usual.
Yep, Israel is not Jews, and Jews are not Israel.
Beyond that even: not all Israelis share the way of thinking of the Government of Israel.
Plenty of decent people even in a country which has for decades been heavy in nationalism, delusions of inherent racial superiority and generally Zionist indoctrination.
They’re probably the minority rather than the majority though.
Plenty of decent people
Incorrect. They’re settlers participating in the genocidal occupation of land that belongs to a sovereign people. This makes it impossible for them to be ‘decent’. There are no ‘civilians’ among Israel’s number.
I also do not view Israel as Israelis, or Israelis as Israel. Just like most of the US hates BOTH Biden and Trump, yet those are our options.
Nah yes their citizens too. Have you seen the video of them literally jumping clapping and cheering the destruction of people’s homes?
The working class of every country has their respective 1%ers that need to be dealt with. Non violently, through electoral reform preferably.
Fuck first past the post voting. Intentionally limiting the number of viable options to pick from is NOT democracy.
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…The citizens are participants in the settler-colonial project that is Palestine’s Occupation. They deserve the same vitriol until they defect or otherwise become a non-issue to Palestinian sovereignty-- though MotoAsh is correct, Judaism is not Zionism. Judaism is merely another Abrahamic religion; Zionism is an ideology of occupation, colonialism, and genocide.
Bibi is basically a centrist in Israel so I dont think that holds up. eg the humanitarian aid at some border crossings are being picketed by Israeli chuds. Sure there are some good Israelis but they aren’t the norm.
Proving op point
I’m sorry, are you FOR regimes that openly commit genocides? Grow the fuck up or pull the mask off.
I mean, Israel hate is a relatively common position these days.
Of course there are less than intelligent people that think “anti Israel…okay, so fuck the Jews!” Like, no. Fuck those people. And in a social media environment, nuance isn’t allowed. If it sounds like maybe you might be possibly on “the other side” of a popular issue, fuck you there is no room for understanding. It’s a huge problem. I’ve noticed more conversations on lemmy that don’t fall into that trap as easily. But, that does seem to be changing somewhat.
It’s not entirely social media, that’s just people. But I do firmly believe social media has made this problem exponentially worse.
I mean, it seems like you and I would disagree on the Israel/palestine issue. But we’re here discussing the discussion surrounding it. On Reddit, that literally never happened to me.
It doesn’t matter if it’s popular. It’s still racist or nationalist. Just like people who say “fuck Palestinians,” you’re labeling an entire nation or group for the actions of their leader(s).
As an American, am I Biden or Trump? No. I’m an American. I should not be held accountable for the actions of the leader of my nation, even more so if I voted against them.
Netanyahu won his last election with 64% of the popular vote, and is currently polling at 15% popularity with the Israelis.
Hamas won the last election with 44.45% of the popular vote (similar to Trump, they won without popular majority).
I’m just saying words matter. “Fuck Israel” means all Israelis. I think you may just mean “fuck Benjamin Netanyahu.” In that, you’d likely have support of most of the world.
Eh. It’s actually different. The popular position is that Israel the state is committing genocide. That’s not he same thing as saying “fuck Palestinians.” Because people aren’t saying “fuck Israelis.” They’re saying fuck Israel for what they’re doing.
You seem to be implying the nimrods who, as I explained earlier, lack the concept of nuance and take anti-israel positions to the illogical extreme of just becoming antisemitic. It’s the same type of people who were assaulting anyone of Asian descent during Covid. You can’t lump everyone who was being careful not to get sick in with the people who were pushing old Asian women down the subway stairs.
“Fuck Israel” means all Israelis
What. No. It absolutely does not. That’s you being overly sensitive and basically misunderstanding a message. If I say “fuck the US” in the context of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, that doesn’t mean “fuck everyone from the US.” Thats such an illogical conclusion to come to.
Also, I don’t know where you got your numbers, I can only find these figures about Netanyahu’s approval ratings in Israel:
According to a survey of more than 700 people carried out by the Israel Democracy Institute this month, 57 percent of the public rates Netanyahu’s performance as “poor or very poor,” while only 28% believe it is “good or excellent.” 14% assess his performance as “so-so.”
And this:
On both questions, Israelis agree with Netanyahu: A poll last month by the Israel Democracy Institute found that nearly two-thirds of Israelis say Israel should “expand its military operations into Rafah.” A separate February poll by IDI found, by the same token, that 55% of Israelis oppose Palestinian statehood, compared to 37% who support it.
https://en.idi.org.il/articles/53305
This one survey is the source for those numbers, and it doesn’t paint as clear of a picture of not supporting Netanyahu. Now, this doesn’t mean anything about antisemitism. That’s always wrong. But my point is that, first off, you seem to be skewing numbers to make a point, unless you have data I can’t find. Secondly, you also seem to be falling in with that group of people who can’t grasp or don’t operate with any nuance. I can say fuck people who support the genocide, whether they are in Israel or elsewhere in the world. Because…it’s fucking genocide. That doesn’t mean I get to generalize about them and hate hem for unrelated qualities, like their religion or skin color. But I can hate their beliefs about what’s happening. It’s all about nuance. It’s very fucking important.
Israel is a nation. There is no nation of Palestine. That’s why I wrote “nationalist or racist.” Either way, the sentiment is the same ignorant hatred that is propagating the war.
You’re conflating a Palestinian statehood poll with Netanyahu’s favorability. Israelis are protesting in the tens of thousands in the streets against Netanyahu.
So fuck Netanyahu and Hamas. Just keep your prejudices away from the Palestinian and Israeli people.
it was a hotbed of anti-Israel and anti-America content.
Welcome to a hotbed of anti-imperial, anti-colonial, and anti-settler content 😂
I don’t know if 50k people, at least a third of whom are outside of the US is a big enough target or if I’m being naïve in thinking that
I was thinking the same thing. It’s definitely not a coordinated propaganda thing. Some people are just assholes. And they like to troll.
But who knows, maybe someone, somewhere, knows about lemmy—some government/interest group—and think it’s worth it because it can be accessed through mastodon, blue sky, etc. The fediverse seems to be a relatively popular subject these days. So, I dunno. Maybe.
But I think some people just suck and think trolling is a good pastime.
No one is paying troll farms to go comment on lemmy though
We do it for love
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i’m a paid troll.
Wait, you guys are getting paid?
I fuckin wish; I’d be able to quit my dead-end.
No one is paying troll farms to go comment on lemmy though
Could you tell that to the c/politics commenters who seem to think russian shills lurk behind every rock?
I don’t really think political spending is going towards Lemmy trolls, much less like…national propaganda spending. Shitty advertising bots maybe.
There are 2 million monthly active Lemmy users. That’s a vast untapped market of grassroots users many who likely aren’t on many other platforms, due to the nature of Lemmy.
The first state actor to get in on the ground floor and shape the collective opinion of lemmings as a whole will influence the future outlook of every user of the fediverse. Especially young people. Majority opinion, majority rule.
I believe we can see this taking place on instances like .world and hexbear, but I’m sure it’s happening in a semi-automated fashion across most instances.
That’s total monthly users, not active. MAU is about 30-40k
Thanks for the clarification. Even easier to sink a claw in then. Trajectories don’t show growth slowing down, they show it accelerating.
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I don’t really think political spending is going towards Lemmy trolls
Nor do I. I don’t think lemmy is large enough for such spending to have enough return on investment to make it worthwhile. But it’s convenient to dismiss deviations from centrist orthodoxy as the output of shills, and so it happens.
im not on lemmy but I see regular buy drugs here, how to change your flight booking (no idea how that scam whatever it is works), or for some reason random keyboard characters like a person randomly banged on the homerow keys. may not be paid but apparently someone thinks the fediverse is worth crapping up.
Fair enough, I have also seen that crap
My old comments would have had me banned a hundred times over today.
Jesus what kind of shit did you used to say lol
China and Russia trying to step up the political discord between people ahead of the election in November.
Gamergate and Russiagate, we’re bringing back 2016, apparently.
“The Russian and Chinese oligarchs are taking over!” - Western oligarchs probably
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i think that it’s a lot more likely that a few people are just making burner accounts to be dicks on the internet than some weird QAnon-esque conspiracy theory that both the Russian and Chinese governments are not only aware of a tiny reddit clone but also are actively employing people (who all happen to be fluent in english) to create fake accounts and convincingly imitate westerners all in order to slightly increase political divisions in america for a few thousand people by having arguments about already incredibly contentious issues.
It’s not a “QAnon-esque conspiracy theory”. Russia’s online influence in American politics has been fairly well documented. That being said, I think it’s somewhat unhealthy to assume everyone who says something controversial is dishonest or a troll. Not good for discourse.
The general consensus is that yes, Russians do troll. The conspiracy comes from the fact that EVERYONE you have a bad interaction with is a troll. No, a vast majority of Americans are just really shitty people and there’s a really good chance your argument is an organic one.
im not saying governments dont astroturf or anything, i meant it was a QAnon-esque conspiracy to assume that there were paid shills and bots around every corner and the vast majority of anti-american sentiment comes from a Russian cabal or something, especially on a comparitively tiny online space like lemmy. Like i’ve fairly frequently seen the accusation that lemmy is filled with paid actors / bots working for various countries from people just because they’ve suddenly been exposed to views that they’ve never really encountered before.
Thank you! Like, this isn’t how foriegn influence campaigns work. Believing the jerk you’re arguing with is a Russian agent might make you feel like you’re in a Tom Clancy novel, but the odds are it’s just a dweeb with multiple accounts. Foriegn influence campaigns make sock-puppets to repeat the same 5 talking points on many communities as possible, and maybe have a few canned replies. They don’t fight with the same person in a 20 reply thread over the course of 2 days.
I believe THIS is exactly what is being talked about when they say “Russian troll farm”
Yeap… Lemmy is getting to Reddit form faster than expected
How long til Lemmy hivemind?
Honestly? Probably a couple months or so.
It already exists it just depends on your instance.
Plenty of group think moving through posts and competing with other group think.
Couple more rounds of enshitification I presume. The IPO got me to move. I guess it wasn’t fun posting on reddit anymore now that I’m making spez money
Is reddit as censored as the fediverse?
Lemmy and mastodon are quite useless.
You can have the same core views as someone on lemmy and mastodon but if you point out a hypocritical post you will get blocked or your post removed. Being a hateful hypocritical person is okay but if you point out someone else doing it its not okay. A loop of hypocrisy.
i have only ever had one post of mine be deleted, and that was a post talking about suicide. I don’t exactly agree with the deletion, but hey i don’t make the rules, it’s their community.
Redit is SIGNIFICATLY more censored than lemmy
It is? I’m not a big social media person so I don’t know. I do know, that I’ve seen highly opposing view points for touchy topics on reddit many times and those posts get many up or down votes. Sometimes I see a post is locked from further discussion etc, but the posts are still there allowing everyone to see all view points.
But on mastadon/ lemmy all I’ve seen so far are hateful hypocrites who instantly block/ban/remove your post etc. If you fully agree with someone, except for the hypocritical part of there post and you echo that back to them, blocked/post removed.
Whoops. Maybe I just mean the fediverse in general not “lemmy” in particular. Sorry, it’s all confusing.
Wonder what you said three hours ago to get banned from the Dunk Tank. You’re really lucky the modlog doesn’t elaborate on what it was, or I’d post the receipt here.
The person who makes Hyperland was blacklisted by freedesktop (Linux stuff) over saying something transphobic as far as I understand from a glance.
They made a post in response in which they said ‘This other person threatened to sexually assault people as revenge for something small. I’m not the only person deserving of shame’. I’m sure there’s more to this story, I don’t care.
A hexbear user in response to this story wrote there’s a false equivalence between a trans person calling for violence in a hyperbolic tweet and this app developer using their platform to spread anti-trans hate. I think, again, I do not care about the actual story, Fictitiousexistence’s comment doesn’t need context to be bad.
@fictitiousexistence@lemmy.ml replied with:
This leads me to believe that anyone who disagrees with Lyude is a Transexual Nobeards shithead.
On Reddit you will be banned if you say something the mods don’t like and they take personally. And it can get you banned off the sire permanently too.
Often commenting on one thread will ban you from other subreddits entirely by bot. Plus all the same garbage of not being able to say words that are considered naughty or no-no words from people who think it makes them superior are all over reddit.
I once got banned from a “leftist” subreddit cause I pointed out that a post was right wing disinformation and the mod responded that they agreed with it so it couldn’t be propaganda and then spent like an hour yelling at me in my messages about how it was a starter leftist sub and that I didn’t belong if I wasn’t going to agree.
But honestly the world is full of the dumbest little shits and everyone everywhere has a quirk and Lemmy is full of people full of themselves and thinking their shit don’t stink. That and moderately well off liberals that can’t handle being told they are wrong because they “are well educated and know how things work”.
I do think it’s insane how quick people are to block and how even more empty it makes the fediverse, interesting that you are dealing with people that also have the ability to delete your replies though as that’s not really a thing on Lemmy so maybe a mastodon thing?
乁( •_• )ㄏDon’t forget about shadowbans that attempt to make it seem like you aren’t banned when your entire account is hidden without your knowledge.
Oh God right! The weirdest darkest form of mild censorship.
I can decide if it’s clever or very fucked up.
I think it’s just very messed up, ultimately it doesn’t work against the real nasty people Reddit claims to be going up against because those people have bot armies that monitor their astroturf accounts so they know when the shadowbans happen and dump the account to move on to the next ones. No this system disproportionately affects the people who aren’t expecting it and probably don’t even deserve it.
Also for braindead spammers it’s actually a terrible strategy because spammers’ purpose is both to annoy users and chew through your resources, even if they are shadowbanned and uploading multiple gigabytes of white noise they aren’t annoying people but they are chewing through bandwidth and CDN storage. IMO that’s not feasible long term, and wouldn’t even be initially feasible for most Fediverse services, hence why most basically just don’t do it.
Federal agents always rip the mask off when you point out they’re being fascists. I remember this one time I was in a liberal subreddit and this one guy started doing nazi talking points so I called them out and reported them. Suddenly I got a very threatening message in my DMs from their mods telling me that I better watch myself or there was going to be consequences then next thing I knew the subreddit shut down and has been down ever since. At the time I was floored that such a seemingly progressive place could just go hardcore nazi just out of the blue but now that I’m politically educated I now know that liberalism is little more than the larval form of outright nazism.
In my experience, Lemmy is not as censored as Reddit
You can disagree here, as long as you keep it civil, all is good
Lmao. I went 14 years on Reddit without getting a single site ban, and barely lasted 14 days on .ml without getting banned for very controversial statements about, eg, that time Russia shot down a civilian airliner in Ukraine. And pointing out that the US revolution generally didn’t involve much mass rape. And calling out genocide denial on hexbear. And then mocking these petty bans. I’m sure this will get me another one.
Lmao, thank you mods for proving my point that .ml is heavily censored.
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The rule against mild criticism of the admins? It can’t be censorship if there are rules, right?
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Lmao. I went 14 years on Reddit without getting a single site ban, and barely lasted 14 days on ml
Not a metric but ok
Rest of keyboard diarrhea
Again, not what you say but how you say it
I’m sure this will get me another one.
Sounds like you are proud of them …
I think that one is better off not discussing these topics online at all.
I have never seen anything good come out of it, anywhere. Ever
We are effectively in an information war with Russia, and that’s really driving up the trolling. Not that every troll is a Russian bot, but they are really driving the trend and giving inspiration to terrible people. A lot of it is also laundered garbage from anarcho-capitalist “think tanks”.
Hexbear seems to have chilled out a bit, but I’ve seen people from non-leftist instances pretending to be leftist and arguing worse than the typical tankies.
The whole of Lemmy is, in general, severely under-moderated.
Part of it is personnel (being a moderator is a crappy job and we don’t have the people to do it) but it’s also ideological. A lot of people here believe that allowing disruptive speech is better than suppressing expression.
That’s a choice and we live with the consequences.
A lot of people here believe that allowing disruptive speech is better than suppressing expression.
Yep! Imo it’s the only way to beat trolls. If you suppress it, your still giving it attention and publicity. Your also playing into their game that they will claim you sensor truth.
Imo if you tell someone: “yeah, come to lemmy, voice your opinion. We won’t ban you but if we mostly disagree and ignore, clearly your idea was not with its salt”.
That’s a choice and we live with the consequences.
I mean, let’s be clear: The choice lies with the users. If users want to allow disruptive speech (or what’s worse), they can go to the instances/communities that allow that kind of speech. If not, they can go to other instances/communities that have stricter moderation.
You don’t have to personally live with it - go somewhere else if you don’t like where you are right now.
You don’t have to personally live with it - go somewhere else if you don’t like where you are right now.
I have been spending relatively more time on Bluesky now you mention it. They way they do block propagation is just 😘👌
What is block propagation?
I’m not super sharp about the details, but if you block someone, by default other people don’t see their replies on your stuff. There may be more features but I’m not sure.
Anyway, it remains functional even when overrun with shitheads because not everyone needs to block everyone.
I see.
not everyone needs to block everyone.
I feel like defederation is the tool for this on the Fediverse. But just to be clear, when I said “go somewhere else if you don’t like where you are right now” I didn’t mean go away from the Fediverse, I just meant another community or instance basically.
I would argue that defederation is a completely fucking brain dead way to deal with bad faith users.
And the “fediverse” has no answers here.
How come? I mean if there is a concentration of bad faith users on an instance or maybe the instance attracts such types because it has no rules or directly encourages such behaviour, is it not good that other instances can choose not to interact with that instance?
Yeah. Maybe if mods weren’t constantly removing factual information as “disinformation”, you’d have a point.
But again, you choose your mods. If you think your mods are being unreasonable, use other communities with better mods - or start your own community and become the better mod yourself.
It’s a “this type of website” problem, not limited to one page or instance.
Hmm. Maybe? I’d like to think it’s possible to do a website of this type without those problems. But I could be wrong I guess.
This place is like a black mirror episode. “It’s okay, just block the Nazis and it’s like they’re not there terrorizing and indoctrinating others, bc I can’t see it”
@lemmy.world
talking about other instances being nazi bars
I don’t mean each user needs to block people, I mean go to instances and communities that are well-moderated.
If your instance admins haven’t defederated with the nazi instances yet you gotta talk to them my friend. You could also move to a different instance that has defederated from the nazi instances, I think most have.
At the same time, parts of Lemmy are severely over-moderated. Anything much outside of the mods’ pro-Russian, pro-CCP, pro-Hamas narrative on /c/worldnews is frequently removed and the user banned. Pro-Western users have a strict bigotry standard applied, while anti-Western users can say anything. This has cropped up at the admin level as well. Of course people are going to create troll accounts when that sort of thing happens.
/c/worldnews
Which one? There’s one on every instance.
The best one of course
Yup! I had a comment removed from lemmy.ml because I said something nice about the USA. I had another comment removed because I said something not nice about CCP.
What did you say?
According to moderators, even using the word “CCP” makes you a racist orientalist Nazi.
If that sounds like the neolib tactic of calling all criticism of Israel (or even the Netanyahu regime) “antisemitic” that’s because it is.
That’s not what they said, though, and that’s not what you said either. I understand wanting to make your case, but you understated what got removed and overstated the reaction, which was just a removed comment and a 1 day ban for Orientalism.
You didn’t critique the CPC either, unless you think calling for death is critique.
If you stalked my comment history, then you’re being extremely selective and disingenuous, or very lazy.
“Death to Amerikkka” is not a critique either. But it is allowed by moderators. Do you condemn that equally?
A political party is not a race.
Death to the CCP.
To quote @davel@lemmy.ml : Reporter, please learn the difference between a people and a state.
Nah, I just checked the modlog against your name, I didn’t stalk it.
I didn’t say “Death to Amerikkka” is a critique, you said critiquing the CCP gets you removed, but you didn’t critique the CPC as evidenced by the modlog. I think it was more cringe than anything.
Anything much outside of the mods’ pro-Russian, pro-CCP, pro-Hamas narrative on /c/worldnews is frequently removed and the user banned. Pro-Western users have a strict bigotry standard applied, while anti-Western users can say anything.
I noticed somebody who wrote “death to amerikkka” was given official mod sanction (saying that it was a country not a people group) so I made the same comment about the CCP.
Comment removed. Banned.
Confirmed.
Uses the racist abbreviation used by nazis
Gets banned for like 3 days tops
“This is oppression. I’m being oppressed.”
“Racist” - learn the difference between a state and a race.
Everybody calls the CCP the CCP. This is literally a “Nazis drink water” situation.
Death to the CCP. Death to all other fascist groups.
What coherent theory of fascism puts Nazi Germany and modern China in that same bucket? https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Fascism
Fascism, usually understood in Marxist theory as capitalism in decay, is a counter-revolutionary reactionary movement led by finance capital, and a form of dictatorship of the bourgeoisie which emerged during periods of economic crisis in imperialist countries. The Third International described fascism as the “open, terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, and most imperialist elements of finance capital.”
Fascism abolishes bourgeois democracy without abolishing bourgeois rule itself. […]
Fascism usually promotes policies that favour the ever-expanding domination of capital. Its political aspect is marked by pervasive anti-communism, a profound aversion towards democracy, the justification and glorification of class society through class collaboration, and chauvinistic tendencies, namely reactionary nationalism, racism, sexism, and ableism. Fascist ideologues usually promote conspiracy theories, irrational myths and manipulative distortions of truth to gather support of their popular base.
Fascism abolishes bourgeois democracy without abolishing bourgeois rule itself. […]
Look no further than the capitalist class at the top of the CCP. Its imperialist initiatives. Its reactionary treatment of Muslims, LGBT people, etc.
Inb4 internal propaganda. Nazis say Jews got great swimming pools.
Inb4 internal propaganda.
No idea what that’s supposed to mean, but let’s go through the bog-standard Five Eyes Kool Aid you’ve presented.
Look no further than the capitalist class at the top of the CCP.
The capitalist class is not at the top of the CPC. China is a proletarian state, where the capitalist class is not in control: China’s housing minister says real estate developers must go bankrupt if necessary. Whereas the US is a bourgeois state, where the capitalist class is in control.
The US Federal Reserve is just the cartel of the US private banks and they also largely control the Treasury. Whereas banking in China is predominantly state owned. The Chinese state both runs these banks and has fiat monetary sovereignty, so it’s not answerable to the capitalists. A bit of a tangent/background: Why The Government Has Infinite Money
Its imperialist initiatives.
What imperialist initiatives? The US has over 750 overseas bases around the world and is installing more right now in order to further encircle China. Meanwhile China has one anti-piracy base on the coast of Djibouti. https://lemmy.ml/comment/10148422
Its reactionary treatment of Muslims, LGBT people, etc.
What reactionary treatment of Muslims? They get material support from the state just as other religions do, despite the CPC being formally atheist/agnostic. Their official position is that religions will eventually wither away on their own.
Or did you really mean Uyghurs? They and other ethic minorities were excepted from the One-Child policy, and in Xinjiang they have grown in numbers relative to Hans as a result.
In accordance with China’s affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas. I’ve beaten the Uyghur genocide (“cultural” or otherwise) psyop to death already: https://lemmy.ml/comment/10145782
LGBT people
I’m not very familiar with China’s current situation on this large topic. The US is no shining beacon on a hill here, either. Been to Tennessee or Florida lately? Even the distorted stories we get US Cold War II think tanks and corporate media don’t put things anywhere near fascism. The US has a whole human rights concern troll industrial complex aimed at countries it wants to regime change.
etc.
What etcetera? You know what, here are answers to some of your next questions: https://lemmy.ml/comment/9448375
Yea, I have gotten comments removed and banned several times from lemmy.ml for disagreeing with literal and easily disproven Russian propaganda. You don’t even need to be pro anything, just disagreeing with Russia does it.
Yea, I have gotten comments removed and banned several times from lemmy.ml for disagreeing with literal and easily disproven Russian propaganda. You don’t even need to be pro anything, just disagreeing with Russia does it.
You think moderators remove those comments? (/s)
Protip: by replying to a comment on many apps, you can see the content of the comment. This can be very useful.
You can also check the modlogs. They can be really revealing.
Nothing wrong with someone disagreeing with you at all. Plenty of dictators throughout history hard-lining group think.
Learn to ignore or at minimum respectful, you can even attempt critical thought: you might just be wrong.
Your comment downvoted just shows that Lemmy isn’t any better than its alternatives.
Just shows how hateful some people are.
I guess I’m lucky. I must subscribe to more or less of an echo chamber. Fuck trolls.
We can expect this with any system that grows in size, becomes popular right? I don’t know the science behind it, but communities over a certain size naturally create subcommunities or attract partisans, antagonists, anarchists with a tendency to troll for fun. It’s the way of things.
I fit your definition. Now lemme 'splain:
For thirty-five years I have heard nothing but radical right fascism spewing hate, lies, vitriol, slander, and violent rhetoric- over the airwaves, cable, and now social media- and without the slightest bit of challenge or pushback. The amount and volume increased when they figured out it pays big money. The people who listen have never known that it was for entertainment; they are being edged to violence just like Ruwandan radio did.
Liberals have been major pussies and doormats about this because they have no idea who they’re dealing with. They cannot be reasoned with or appealed to through humanity. The radical fascists’ free speech rights do not exist and are not to be defended; there is absolutely nothing to gain there and everything to lose. As I said, liberals have no idea who they’re dealing with.
For all the unchecked violence and damaged caused by the radical fascist shitbags to our daily lives, our long term properity, and to safety and security in general, I absolutely attack them with all the violent and vitriolic slander I can muster to pay back for thirty-five plus years of the same. This is the route every one of you should take, because they all think you’re a bunch of pussies and they take great joy in running you over. They must be made to fear even being seen in public, and beaten down like rabid dogs when they are. They are enemies of freedom, enemies of humanity, and enemies of all that is good in the world.
