Back when I was telling everyone to watch Severance.
"Is that on Netflix?
-hum, Apple TV I think.
-you have Apple TV ?
-…sort off"
I always just say I pirate it. What’s surprised me is the number of people who then ask where I got it from. I assumed most normies would look down on it more than has been my experience.
At my job my experience has been that people act like you would also steal money or something. I tend to say I forgot where the show streams Google it.
“If I could talk to my great grandfathers, I would say that the old times are gone. So much has changed. When all else fades away, The Pirate Bay will remain. It will always be with us.” -Brule
I watched it at a friend’s house.
You don’t know her, she doesn’t go to this school, lives in Canada.
She lives in VPN
Last time i had netflixthe lastshow i watched wss the castlevania anime
This is totally me
You still have Netflix?
Nah, just the shows.
I’ve been with Netflix since the very beginning but I’m finally canceling my service.
What’s a Nutflick?
I’ll tell you when you’re old enough.
For the mobile games
For the what?
Netflix has mobile games, is that news?
Quite a few awesome titles to boot Deaths door, TMNT, katana zero, Hades, deadcells, spiritfarer etc.
Edit : removed IAP too for the likes of Narcos, Arcanium…
Also you get Bloons TD6 with your Netflix account
Why pay corporate scum when you can not :| sorry not sorry people in the entertainment industry. You should negotiate better union terms.
sell me a bluray for a reasonable price or stop fucking encrypting them and i will buy your content :)
There’s few things that piss me off as much as self-righteous pirates. You want to say you’re doing this out of a moral stand? Boycott. Give specifics for what union terms would be good enough for you to deign to pay people for their work. Check with the actual people in the industry for if they would prefer you pay or pirate. For every dollar you’re not paying, donate it to a union.
Or just admit you’re pirating selfishly because you can get cool stuff for free and rely on other people to fund.
You should be focusing on the hedge funds and billionaire families. Not directing your REEing energy at me.
Great response, totally makes sense and justifies everything you said.
yet piracy is what made the music industry be reasonable…
And netflix is what killed piracy originally…
HMM…
Source?
And more importantly, did Netflix pay the creators a greater amount for the relatively little amount of money they were charging you? Was Netflix more moral because of their treatment of employees? Is that why it allegedly killed piracy?
What’s that? No? It was just convenient and cheap? I guess it is, once again, just about you not wanting to pay money for things other people make.
Source?
spotify basically killing services like limewire? Netflix being incredibly popular because it was a good service?
Piracy is literally just a basic supply and demand driving force. You supply content that’s easily accessible, for a fair price and people will pay for it, it’s as simple as that.
I can’t say much about netflix originals, but any of the licensed content would’ve already been paid for. Netflix currently sucks, and that’s not really what we’re talking about, though there is a conversation to be had there.
What’s that? No? It was just convenient and cheap? I guess it is, once again, just about you not wanting to pay money for things other people make.
if this was the case why would we see piracy decline over the last decade, only to see it increase noticeably in the last 4-5 years or so.
spotify basically killing services like limewire?
I thought you said that “piracy made the music industry be reasonable.” Spotify basically killing limewire is not evidence of that any more than saying radio made the music industry be reasonable since it’s just as killed.
any of the licensed content would’ve already been paid for.
Look up “residuals”
if this was the case why would we see piracy decline over the last decade, only to see it increase noticeably in the last 4-5 years or so
Because streaming services have been charging more for less content, as the content owners have come to realize how much streaming cannibalizes purchases from other revenue streams.
I’m not trying to argue that people don’t pirate less when there are cheap convenient services available. I agree with that. But that’s just people behaving in their own self-interest, not some moral good about fighting big companies or other stuff pirates say to feel better about it.
I accept that people do selfish things, just as I accept when people jump the turnstile in the subway without paying their share. What I don’t accept is the self-righteous pirates who try to act like they’re doing something good for society, like I should be thanking them for downloading the shows I helped pay for, and pretending that it has no impact whatsoever on the people who depend on that for their income.
Source?
Steam, case in point. You can find cracked games fairly easily, there’s even games entirely lacking drm that could be passed around effortlessly
But steam is very convenient, the prices are reasonable, and they have good customer support. That’s enough that even people who pirate switch games buy pc games on the same device
Which is my point. People do things which are cheap and convenient because it is in their self interest. They stop pirating for selfish reasons just as they were pirating for selfish reasons.
Which is why I can’t stand self-righteous pirates who try and convince themselves and everyone else that they aren’t actually doing it selfishly, they’re doing it for some fabricated moral good and we should be thanking them for their service, that they’re fighting corporations somehow, and pretending that they aren’t withholding money from the people who spent the time making the things they enjoy.
I’m not going to say pirating is some morally superior act, but there is something to be said for refusing to support companies that have user-hostile distribution
And I don’t think that act is cheapened by accessing the content anyways - yes, you are not contributing to the creators while enjoying their content. If you weren’t going to pay into the stream that they get a small part of anyways, then you’re not costing them anything - if you wouldn’t have bought it and didn’t, it’s the same result on their end either way
Ultimately it goes back to piracy being a problem of accessibility, and rejecting an inaccessible service is the moral part, I see the piracy in this context as just neutral
The problem is when people claim they were never going to buy an awful lot of content. If someone spends a significant amount of time playing, or consuming, pirated content, I call bullshit. They would have bought at least some of it if they weren’t getting so much stuff for free. Considering the rewards and lack of consequences, I doubt the vast majority of people pirating are being really honest with themselves about what they “would never have” paid for, and instead use it as a simple excuse for bad behavior.
And rejecting a service you don’t consider worth it isn’t moral. That’s just basic capitalism and self-interest. That’s the standard decision to not buy something, which is a decision people make literally dozens of times when they go in the store. And pirating that content anyways certainly doesn’t make it any more moral.
Yes, it really does come to morals.
Like, would I really feel ok supporting an industry like that? With their shitty wages, horrible copyright practices, just evil corporate practices (nepotism, extortion, sexism, etc) - not exclusive to entertaining industry, but I can def chose not to support & fuel the suffering.
I want & do pay for small studio projects, FOSS initiatives, etc.
Let’s normalise that so that such support may grow and change the world.Long live there *arr services & their contribution to worlds culture & humanity through equality/comradeship.
If it comes down to morals, don’t pirate, boycott. If your actions can be perceived as indistinguishable from selfishness, they probably are. And the only message you’re sending is “we need to crack down more on piracy” not any actual good.
unless you bring in archival, in which case piracy is actually morally good, because of how often content just fucking disappears from the market.
Archival and piracy are different. For you to pirate, there was already an archival copy. Mission accomplished. You downloading a copy without paying for it is not you helping preservation.
For you to pirate, there was already an archival copy.
is it not the case that the more archival copies there are of something the more likely it is to survive?
There is a rather simple paradox, in the world of online and digital archival where, unless you archive it, nobody else has any reason to archive it. I could simply not archive any of the stuff i have archived, under the pretense that someone else probably already archived it, but that’s just a guess and i have no idea whether or not that’s the case.
Once i archive something, it’s possible someone else has already archived it, but i being a known archiver of that material (or not, most archives are private) also substantiates that same paradox.
And besides, let’s say i am archiving, how am i supposed to verify the integrity of my archival copy? Am i not supposed to consume it? That’s the most effective and reliable way to determine the integrity of an archive. Sure i could use hashes or checksums, but those are only are reliable as the original creation of the hash/checksum.
is it not the case that the more archival copies there are of something the more likely it is to survive?
No, it is not. Compare 10,000,000 copies of something that only live on some random people’s phones or 1 copy in the library of Congress where it is someone’s job to manage and preserve it. 50 years from now I think it’s way more likely that the Library of Congress one is still around than the random ones.
Am i not supposed to consume it? That’s the most effective and reliable way to determine the integrity of an archive. Sure i could use hashes or checksums, but those are only are reliable as the original creation of the hash/checksum.
No. Consuming it is neither efficient nor reliable. How would you even know when you consume it that it is the original?
And none of this justifies the piracy itself as opposed to buying it and archiving it? Or if you don’t have the capabilities or means, buying a copy and then pirating that said copy as the archive.
No. You sound apologetic towards shareholders.
Morals are not the same as laws, lol.
And when something is part of the everyday life like this it isn’t really the best thing to stay out of.Also, boycotting something I wouldn’t have payed for doesn’t make sense. I don’t even understand what you mean.
And what you call selfishness is the boycott here. That takes away from the megacorps (and not from the artists).
I don’t wanna boycott people making series, I want way-too-big publishers & co to die.
Morals are not the same as laws, lol.
Agreed. Don’t know why you’re saying that, since I didn’t mention the law anywhere.
And what you call selfishness is the boycott here. That takes away from the megacorps
It is not. If you boycott something you aren’t benefitting. You are making a sacrifice in order to enact a change. And critically, if corporations want you behave differently, in a boycott they give in to demands. With piracy, they try to crack down on piracy.
(and not from the artists).
I’m sorry, how do the artists get paid when you pirate?
I don’t wanna boycott people making series, I want way-too-big publishers & co to die.
If that is genuinely what you want, all you have to do is not purchase the content. Pirating it does not help you kill giant publishers. All it does is make it shittier for the people funding your free entertainment.
As I said in a different comment, if this is actually a moral thing for you, for every dollar you save by not paying for the things you enjoy, donate it to a union. If you’re not, it clearly wasn’t really about the artists, it was about you getting free shit.
I have to say I mostly disagree with your points.
At that kind of profit margins only the dividends get financed.And I do spent the money on donations (FOSS devs, Wiki, random research, animal stuff), tho I haven’t though of donating to unions. I didn’t even know that is a thing. It isn’t where I live.
I understand they need to be financed, but the whole point of unions is to get a better bargaining position & thus finance. That shouldn’t need money. You dont donate to the strog guy that already has the power, you donate to the poor. Ot perhaps like some sort of semi-political parties that help organise workers? But we have regulators that strongly encourage unions at certain company size or sector.
What you can donate to or finance is smol studios. That’s boycotting the big studios, regardless of content consumption.
What are the margins, specifically? Do you do the research on every piece of media you take, or is “just kinda a feeling” that you believe enough for you to feel fine about what you do? And what is your line for at what point you’ll grace them with your money?
It’s great that you make donations, but do you make contributions in line with what you would have paid for the media to take? If so, I believe you that it’s not about the money but a moral stance. If not, I don’t believe that you aren’t doing it for your own self interest.
I understand they need to be financed, but the whole point of unions is to get a better bargaining position & thus finance. That shouldn’t need money. You dont donate to the strog guy that already has the power, you donate to the poor. Ot perhaps like some sort of semi-political parties that help organise workers? But we have regulators that strongly encourage unions at certain company size or sector.
I’m genuinely not sure what you’re trying to say here. Are you saying that you don’t think unions need money? Are you familiar with union dues? Or strike funds? Lobbyists or lawyers?
And are you saying that the unions are the “strog guys?” If so, then why are you saying that they don’t make enough of a percent for it to justify you paying them for their work? If you want to pay to the poor or a charity, fine.
My fundamental point is, if you pirate a $20 movie/game/whatever and you don’t donate $20 to whatever cause you feel is worthwhile, and instead keep that money for yourself, you are pirating because you want things without having to pay for it. Full stop. Anything else is just trying to justify your free shit.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I’m sorry, how do the artists get paid when you pirate?
my guy, they were already paid for their time, this isn’t a small indie production.
You didn’t answer the question. Where did the money come from that paid for their time?
the studios that originally produced the content, the people that are paying for streaming services, and if it’s a movie, the box office earnings.
And physical media sales, if any.
I have grown up with pirating. I didn’t even know that you can pay for stuff for a while lol. Yet just the other day I bought the plushie DLC for portal revolution, caz it was an amazing experience, and it was a free passion project from the fans to the fans.
Yep, supporting artists and not parasitic corporations is always preferable. Unfortunately, said parasitic conglomerates try to get their greedy piggy tendrils into everything they can
Yeah, it’s really hard and often impossible to support the artists that you want.
A good movie, but most of the people involved made fixed wages (no sales) whilst 90+% of the protis goes to the studio and the lead actor and director (+ credited people that never even saw the project, but you know, money favours)?
Yeah, your money vote does not go to what you want to support/sponsor.A publisher is selling a game that it got by buying a studio & getting rid of the devs? What’s their added value? That’s just capital yields, like landlording.
do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, yarr harr fiddle dee dee!
Sorry…what are we talking about?
Like there’s that many good shows
These fins are jellied, mate.
And the radarr calibrated for treasure
what does radarr to exactly? I know jellyfin is a glorified VLC, but what’s radarr?
Glorified VLC.
Look, for me to “stream” movies to my friends using VLC I have to set up a finnicky RTSP server and get the settings right and then even then half the time it chokes on the video and the stream stops because it doesn’t like certain file types/encodes.
Jellyfin takes out all the hard work of setting up a complicated streaming service for you and your friends.
Radarr is your personal fleet that will go plundered and get the booty for you while you lay in your comfy hammock drinking rum.
(You tell Radarr a movie and it will download it for you, rename it and add it to your media center automatically, also for upcoming ones. Sonarr does the same for shows, downloads the episodes once they are out.)
sounds awesome, I might try it out when I get/setup a server
Jellyfin can be self-hosted with Radarr to automatically download shows you want to it and be streamed with Jellyfin.
It’s the worst when you talk about a series you “acquired” and they ask you: “Cool! Where did you watch it? Is it on Netflix?”
“how would I know”
Because of the “bong” at the start.
“No I usually do edibles when I watch tv”
When someone asks me where they can watch a show, I always tell them “I think it’s on Pirate Bay”.
If you’re going to have one service, the last one to get is Netflix. Hulu and Disney are $20 ad-free in a package right now. That’s probably the best value out there.
Yeah, this is either old or out of touch.
Jokes on you, I never had Netflix
I had cousins account and I found torrenting still much more convenient than having to open Netflix in the propper browser or app to play with semi-decent quality.
In my country, Netflix shows often come out later than in the US so why pay money when I can get a greater variety of shows earlier for free on other streaming sites?
Streaming is a gray area. Germany is relatively strict with torrents but on streaming, you neither own nor share it at any point
Germany is relatively strict with torrents
Don’t be worse than Russia. Please fix.
germany has some wild piracy law, last i heard.
Probably one of the most cringe places because of that.
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In Russian law only sharing is illegal, not downloading. And proving your intent is impossible if you don’t have formal education. Basically “I didn’t know” is rock-solid defence.
I think it’s technically the same in Germany but indent doesn’t matter that much so it’s illegal even if you claim you didn’t know. Also owning it is also illegal I think. When you stream it, you don’t own it.
And honestly I don’t see the benefit of downloading it. Do I have to wait till the whole season is out or do I torrent each episode separately? Neither sounds fun. I can just click the episode I want to watch and watch it. Why bother to download it as a whole?
Do I have to wait till the whole season is out or do I torrent each episode separately? Neither sounds fun. I can just click the episode I want to watch and watch it. Why bother to download it as a whole?
What does this has to do with anything? You just download and watch. You can even download and watch at the same time. Or download and watch later even without internet.
you have netflix?
i do, wanna chill? :D
hm, enticing, i however have jellyfin and quite the substantial archive, does that suffice?
“Jellyfin and chill” sounds kinky
depends on where you’re looking i suppose, though my jellyfin instance is entirely SFW, aside from the probably 5 exceptions.
I have numerous NSFW archives like the true archivist that i am however. Though i don’t have those stuffed into jellyfin or anything.
Oh, I just meant the name.
oh, i mean maybe a little bit? Idk, seems rather fitting to me. Reminds me of jellyfish, and those are certainly chilling.
even better haha
we love to see it.
