Fuck Forbes. They prop up conservatives and conservative talking points. They also post screens of tweets from conservatives, like the dickbag (from this article) who referred to the Ukraine army as “Ukronazis”.
The news of this attack is great to hear, but we should not be supporting Forbes with clicks. They are the enemy.
I tend to agree with you, but I also think it’s important to know how the “enemy” thinks and interpret the news. I don’t think we should lock ourselves up in echo bubbles only reading stuff we agree with.
In theory I’d agree with you. I don’t mind reading of nuances or different opinions than mine.
In general however, conservative media are worthless piece of shit embarrassments that I don’t want to waste time on.
There’s a difference between discussing with sometime with a different opinion, and stopping in the middle of the road responding to every deranged, mentally challenged ignorant mean crack addict who yells their vision of the world from the top of a soap box.
Agreed. They don’t argue in good faith. Their goal is not honesty and truth. What’s the point in engaging with someone like that?
Arguing in good faith is the important part.
As soon as I engage with someone not arguing in good faith, I leave. There’s just no point.
Comparing Forbes to a deranged, mentally challenged crack addict isn’t very fair, whatever your opinion is on Forbes or crack addicts.
Yeah, at least crack addicts have an excuse
Forbes is just a blogging platform where “contributors” can post their clickbait. Forbes adds their reputation and the ads and then splits the profit with the “contributor”…
That explains the extremely low quality content from them. Thank you.
I once had a college professor tell me forbes was ‘absolutely reliable.’
That was a few years ago, but still.
In this case you are wrong. This article is by Forbes Staff, not a contributor.
Forbes uses one name to deliver two different products, one of which is an in house magazine.
Nevertheless, Slava Ukraini!
What does that translate to ? some sort of rallying cry
Glory to Ukraine
It’s a nazi slogan meaning glory to Ukraine.
I think you mean “anti-Nazi slogan”. The “Nazis” here are the ones doing Nazi shit, like invading other countries, putting people in prison camps, etc.
You’re not supposed to ask question like this, the bots here don’t like the truth.
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Lmaoooo wow
A variation on ‘Sieg Heil!’ in Ukrainian.
You have linked directly to an image of a Ukrainian stomping on a swastika flag. You are not making the point you think you’re making.
They’re trying to liken it to the Nazis, but the fact remains that almost every single military in the world has something like this as either a battle cry or affirmation. US uses several iterations such as “Hooah”, “Ooah” and “Hooyah” depending on your branch so they can feel free to start chiming in about their views on US imperialism and nationalism any time they like, but we know they won’t.
Who out there would be dumb enough to think “Ukraini” would mean either “Sieg” or “Heil” and not just mean the the sovereign nation of Ukraine?
It means Glory to Ukraine. Pretty much every military has something like it (for example, Hooah or Ooh-rah for the US Military (specifically the Army and the Marines). It’s also a national salute, which a lot of countries have.
which translates to “say hail” in english
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/hail
Verb
hail (third-person singular simple present hails, present participle hailing, simple past and past participle hailed)
(transitive) To greet; give salutation to; salute.
(transitive) To name; to designate; to call. quotations ▼
He was hailed as a hero.The problem with the german WWII one isn’t as much the word as who they were hailing.
i very much doubt the Ukrainian word has the same negative connotations as the german one.
we should not be supporting Forbes with clicks.
DeVito gif May I offer you an archive link in these trying times?
Conservatives like the Tories, who are like"fascist-lite", or conservatives like USA conservatives, who are full on “nazi level fascists”? 😅
I think Forbes is scummy for many reasons and never liked them, you’ve given me another reason to dislike them.
I agree with referencing a horrible twitter user in the article, but your stance on conservatives, especially your username, is very fascist in of itself.
is very fascist in of itself.
No. It’s not fascist to have a firm and authoritative opinion. It is, perhaps, violent and authoritarian in outlook, but conservatives have just tolerated an insurrection and those conservatives have yet to kill the traitor responsible for it, so contemplation of violence is justified because this ‘cold civil war’ as Vivek called it is not going to end with that boomer criminal in power ever again.
Except for the tweet, how is this article not just bringing the news? I don’t get it.
Believe it or not, Forbes has written more than a single article.
Are you suggesting there isn’t nazis in Ukraine’s armed forces? Take a look at the cemeteries for the soldiers, you will notice some weird flags flying.
I’d say that counter offensive is going fairly well.
It seems like they’ve had the patience to do things very deliberately.
I’d agree, yet I keep seeing people argue the counteroffensive is going poorly for Ukraine because they’re not making serious gains in recapturing territory. People forget that there are many ways to “win” a war: one of which is the enemy simply giving up and withdrawing. Chipping away at the enemy’s ability or will to continue fighting is a path to victory.
You don’t need to steamroll the enemy if you make it militarily, politically, or economically untenable for them to hold a position.
Attrition is a powerful factor often forgotten in war.
Easiest way to beat your enemies? Surround them with pointy sticks and slowly poke and starve them until they give up. Bonus points if you hurl dead animals into their village.
Obviously that’s a bit crude but I wanted to highlight the fact that this tactic is as old as time. If they widdle Russia down far enough they might be able to make the sweeping charge everyone wanted to see.
Trebuchets for Ukraine!
Just mount the animal heads onto missiles.
Much more effective.
Whittle
Thanks. I was struggling with that one a lot 🤣
Anyone saying Ukraine isn’t moving quickly enough is the kind of person who will ‘go out in a blaze of glory’ on the battlefield by charging the enemy like a fucking idiot.
After they get shot in front of everyone, they just serve as an example of what ‘not’ to do to win a war.
I appreciate the distinct lack of hexgoons on this thread.
I had to reread that twice to realize you weren’t upset at hexagons, and was wondering where you had found graphics of the Ukrainian war superimposed on turn based battle hex maps
hexagons are the bestagons.
Hexoghouls
Out of the loop, what happened?
lemmy.world defederated from a instance full of pro-russia shitheel trolls who would ruin any discussions regarding Ukraine. It’s very nice not having to scroll through their propaganda.
Ohh I totally forgot about the defederation. Now it all makes sense.
ThanksNo tanks
finger guns
Zoop!
Yes! Good on them
Meh. I never saw anything like that. Usually russian-sympathizers are downvoted into oblivion and there’s not that many of them.
I’m curious exactly what these people were saying, but now I’ll never get to see because someone else decided to censor it for me.
Not really defederating, but I hope we can update lemmy so censorship is optional. You can choose to have posts hidden by mods hidden from you, or not. That way everyone wins, except for the children who think “I don’t want to see this, so neither should anyone else!” And honestly, who cares about those kids?
hexbear is an instance full of communist trolls
Being pro Russia because you’re pro communist is so fucking weird to me. The Russian federation is an imperialist capitalist oligarchical fascist state.
If you look at it from the idea that they see non-western or more specifically anti-american as good by default, then a lot of their positions make a lot more sense. I suspect that if the US became the perfect communist utopia theyd still be anti-American.
They hate the US so much they have to bring it up continuously, everywhere and more so if the post has nothing to do with the US.
And look. I get being critical of the US, we’re a mess, but the solution to the problems in our country isn’t a slightly different authoritarian regime
Fucking seriously. I’m all for smashing the system, but those assholes have more in common with my racist Trump voting relatives than… you know… good people.
I get what you’re saying, but I disagree with “make a lot more sense”. It still doesn’t make logical sense, but this is how these people indeed think.
Oh it doesnt make sense for anyone with any ampunt of logical reasoning, but it atleast give an explanation how their reasoning works.
This is the correct take. They aren’t pro-Russia because they’re “communists”, they’re pro-Russia because they’re anti-west, even if that means looking the other way when there’s imperialism of the unexpected color.
Being pro Russia because ‘own the left’ and ‘our guy has autocratic dreams’ is even weirder
Let’s just agree that no matter your political leanings, being pro-Russia is fucking weird.
I swear to god it seemed like there was a massive shift in pro Russian sentiment when we all found out Russia had interfered in the 2016 election because
- Obama was doing sanctions about it and a certain group of people is always anti Obama, regardless of what that means, politically
- Russia had interfered on behalf of the guy they wanted, therefore Russian interference good
Because they’re not communists, they’re just fascists that don’t like being called fascists.
The lengths to which they cry just because people use the word “tankie” is ludicrous. They also have this custom to equate “tankie” and “communist” the same way not too politically literate right wingers do.
Tankies are not Communists.
No. They are not.
Half of them are the obnoxious trust fund goons who lived on your floor in the dorms and had posters of Che on their walls. They generally came from wealth and this anti-capitalist rhetoric is just them rebelling against their parents. Their dad is probably a non-practicing jew who drives a VW Phaeton . They don’t know their birth mothers too well but their step moms are probably women who graduated from high school two classes ahead of themselves. The obnoxious goons who base their entire personality on these kinds of interactions, they pride themselves on being “disliked for speaking truth to power”.
The other half are shitheel trolls who are too wrapped up in their own attempts at edgy bullshit to understand the difference between “it’s just a joke, bro” and “just drink the fucking kool-aid, bro”.
Neither of those groups have any sense of self awareness.
So nah, they aren’t communists.
Don’t forget the paid Russian and Chinese state actors
I hope we left most of them on reddit.
No platform is free of them. All depends how big it is as to how much attention they give it.
Half of them are the obnoxious trust fund goons who lived on your floor in the dorms and had posters of Che on their walls.
That’s… so specific. It sounds like you’re just saying things, lol.
Your dad ever bought a Jaffa orange ? well he’s buying nukes for Israël. He’s a jew
Lemme guess, they say fringe opinions you don’t like and that makes them trolls?
What is a hexgoon?
Users from hexbear I presume. It’s an instance with predominantly Russia-China supporting users.
Wow, that’s news for me, never seen them supporting those 🤔
Don’t worry, there’s always a first time.
Thank god, they flamed the crap out of me a couple of days ago, I thought this was what Lemmy was turning into and considered actually leaving.
With a higher lemmy adoption their presence should go proportionally down.
I just block anyone who trolls. It takes a while, but the more you block, the less they become a problem.
Does it block comments from the instance as well?
I can block the whole instance and their posts, but not their users yet :/
There was a post earlier that they jumped on.
I was blocking assholes for a good hour. It ain’t much, but it’s honest work.
Damn right
They seem to have taken their ball and gone home mostly, thankfully. The pro Russia capitalistic imperialism talk from people who are supposedly anti imperilism, communists was just some of the most absurd mental gymnastics I’ve ever seen.
Lemmy.World defederated them. They didn’t take their ball and go home. Someone with some sense kicked their ball over the fence and said “we don’t play games with jerkasses”
They defederated themselves from at least one of the larger instances before that. They were in full temper tantrum mode about people not enjoying their trolling.
The messaging coming from Budenov, the Ukrainian head of intelligence:
“We have the ability to hit any part of the temporarily occupied Crimea as of now. Absolutely at any point we can get the enemy. Those who have done stupid things, it’s better for them to leave,”
“And those who are waiting must prepare and do everything to help, first of all, the intelligence agencies, and then further, when the troops go into the open.”
Psyops for sure, but part of me wants it to happen. Now with this battery gone it definitely sets the stage.
Now those new F-16’s can dominate.
I read a theory about why Ukraine has not completely destroyed the bridge to Crimea, even if they were able to, was to leave a way out & not fight the occupying troops into a corner, at which point their destructive unpredictability is worse than just letting them leave . This could be similar
No, that doesn’t make a lot of sense. Russia has enough boats/ships to evacuate Crimea if they wanted. They used to supply the whole Crimea woth ships before the bridge was built.
If Ukraine could, they would definitely destroy the bridge. But it’s just very difficult task.
It makes sense if you remember that Crimea has port infrastructure that Russia will absolutely destroy if they sense they’re cornered. They’ll leave nothing
You are assuming that the Russian government values the lives of their soldiers more than the strategic and economic benefit of holding Crimea. I think they’d rather hold Crimea at all costs.
And if they have to lose their Crimean dream, I’m sure they’d rather it happen after a Stalingrad-esque situation, where literally everyone fights to the very, very, very last, instead of the ignominy of their troops retreating from those lovely warm water ports.
Putin would forbid any evacuation plans. A bridge allows scared soldiers a way to run away without permission from command.
i wonder if Russians realize how nervous they should be… maybe seeing Russians shoot down Russians outside Moscow will start to wake them up…
Killing Prigozhin definitely pissed off a lot of nationalist Russians
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Why, though?
that’s exactly right… keep that up, you’ll get there…
this happened yesterday. S400 and Bastion
today there was amphibious raid in general area of that site, with air support, presumably allowed by previous activities
Ukrainian soldiers in Crimea? Do you have a link?
fresh off the press https://nitter.net/NOELreports/status/1694653600985723382#m
GUR has released video of S400 site being destroyed, but only from the frame when explosion happened, as in, not showing what did it
Good.
Get absolutely fucked orc scum!
Good job!
Neat!
You said it, Barbie!
