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I remember I got into an argument on reddit awhile ago with a person over Italian food. It got to the point they were following me into other subs to harass me. I clicked on their profile to block them and their most recent post was them drinking their own piss on r/piss. At that moment I realized I had spent so much pointless time arguing about the taste of food with someone who drinks their own piss as a hobby. This site is a shit hole.
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It “drives engagement.” The old marketing trope that sex sells has given way to rage sells. Piss people off, get them involved in a pointless internet debate, push that dopamine button in your brain because you’re right and that asshole is wrong and this is why, and boom, another social media addict. Oh hey what’s this, a funny meme? Sure I’ll click that and maybe reply in that thread too…
It’s super effective.
Humanity is a shithole. Social media is a cross-section.
I hate that pov so much.
Humanity is fantastic, wonderful, loving and amazing. It’s not a shit hole.
I’d argue society is really broken in some places, but not humanity.
As for Social media: it just brings out some dark side in some people. The vast majority of people on social media behave. It’s just that the outliers catch the attention.
I hate this pov so much.
I think it perpetuates that things are better than they actually are and inhibits change and progress… we’re all different I guess 🤷🏻♂️
Fair enough :)
I just don’t see how believing the worst in your fellow human can encourage you to improve things.
believing the worst in your fellow human can encourage you
It doesn’t, it never did, it never will.
Pessimism is easy and lazy thinking. People also think it makes you look more insightful and wiser to look down your nose at everything.
Spoken like a true trekkie
Live long and prosper!
But the poster you replied to has a point:
Just like most animals the greater majority of people try to avoid as many direct conflicts as possible IRL. And they’re full of empathy and compassion - even for other animals in distress and inanimate objects (saw off the fingers of a plastic doll in front of others and see how they treat you afterwards).
But of course people will lose a part of that compassion etc once they move within society without feeling like a part of it. One example is driving a car. You’re way less aware of being a part of society even though you’re “swimming” in it. Feeling a strong individual agency and being empowered by two tons of steel while simultaneously being greatly restricted by everyone and everything around you will do that to you.
Same goes for the (social) media landscape. We feel empowered by our own echo chambers and/or chosen media outlet while barely interacting with anyone who could challenge our beliefs (which, funnily enough, is often the right call in that context, because we can’t change strong opposing beliefs via social media). And since it’s all an indirect, mostly faceless interaction, our beliefs will automatically be strengthened and we’ll be more likely to agitate anyone with opposing beliefs (while still avoiding any direct conflict).
So I’d say it’s more of a flaw in our design, that is being exploited, than a general lack of sympathy/empathy (of which we actually have plenty).
Which means you can’t hold any one individual to higher standards. Because that’s not where we “fail”. It’d take a much broader appliance of social securities (housing, food, healthcare, education etc all over the world) and a fundamental change in the way we interact. But you and I won’t change that (though I guess it’s comforting telling ourselves that we could individually change things on a greater scale).
Thank you for being much more eloquent than me.
The average troll wouldn’t be an asshole in real life. They’d likely just be an average bloke like us all that lost theirselves in online anonimity.
Time and time again we see that in many disasters the majority of people in the affected community come together and help each other tremendously.
There is ofcourse always rotten apples and exceptions. That doesn’t take away from the fact that people are inherintly good to their fellow human.
One major issue is we assume the motivations of others all the time, usually negative. Add anonymity to the mix and you have social media rage. A good place to start is to occasionally think “Maybe I’m not 100% right. Maybe they are at least partially right also.” Also, “What could be their reasons for thinking that?” without dismissing them out of hand. The press encourages rage by presenting us with a filter of negativity and constantly pressing our anger buttons.
True psychopaths exist but not to the extent people may think.
So everyone’s in agreement… humanity is a shithole
If you consider that we are currently destroying our eco system that we need to survive and have known for over 50 years that the co2 levels will cause major issues, but nobody really felt the need to act. And when the countries actually sat together and made the Kyoto contracts the USA steped in and fucks up the whole idea. Thanks Bush you little Oil-fucker!
Considering that you could say humanity is fucked and humans are at fault. And if you look at it the people voting are at fault too, falling for company and other proparganda and voting for a government that fucks them even harder.
I would say humanity as we know it won’t exist anymore in 200 years. War, droughts, floods and shit will get us. Even if we would act now the whole planet would need to cooperate. No Chance!
Again, I’d blame society for that, not humanity.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the actual power in the world lies in the hand of just a fraction of percent of the people. Those asshole ruin it for everyone else.
Doesn’t mean the average human is evil.
Worse, the average human is self absorbed and apathetic. This enables all of the truly evil to assert itself. Humanity is the sum of its choices and look where that leads. If it’s a battle of best vs worst natures, it’s become clear what side has prevailed.
Yeah, I know! But do you see anybody care about that? Do the votes for political parties show anything that would mean they don’t like those corrupted bastards?
No! Most people don’t care or think voting for the same parties will change sth.
I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who didn’t care about this besides the one-off sociopaths you encounter on the internet (though I’m fairly convinced that they also care but just feel powerless to change things). The problem is that the priority for most people is not starving to death within the next month, and that makes it impossible to devote time and energy into solving more long term problems.
Get off the internet and talk to some actual people
What do you mean by that? Real people are boring /s
Dog Im on social media because Im the shit in the hole. When Im not on social media Im overall a pretty worthwhile person. Causation not correlation etc.
Meanwhile on Lemmy, you’ll get death threats for simply stating you’re an arch user.
From who? The Debian Taliban?
The GovernMint
The Supreme Kernel Council
The Fedora Bureau of Investigation
IBM
Edit: also, I use Arch.
I use Arch(-based distro), btw
I commented that I had switched to Firefox browser from a chromium browser and that I was still using it but really didn’t like it and listed a few reasons why and got more down votes on that single comment than I’d ever gotten total on reddit. The condescending responses were something else. I almost deleted my account, like sorry, I clearly don’t subscribe to the lemmy hive mind, so I don’t belong here. I also don’t have strong feelings about Linux, guess I should get fucked.
As long as you’re not posting toxic stuff, you should just ignore downvotes because many people use them as disagree button instead of replying why they disagree with your points.
Additionally there’s downvote bots. They can even stick around with you. You comment, and a few seconds later you’ve got 25 downvotes.
Well, the good thing about Lemmy is your downvotes don’t add up to some Karma like it did on Reddit. You’re free to state your opinion in one post without having to carry it around everywhere.
The total score is appearently stored on your user somewhere in the database but not displayed… Someone said. They lied?
I would assume it’s a hard thing to implement reliably in a system such a lemmy. You could just spin up your own instance and give yourself a ton of points if you really cared for the numbers.
That’s true… I wonder how it handles downvotes and upvotes on comments or posts, they are also replicated right? What if some instance goes into the db and changes those numbers?
Then it’s only changed on their instance. They’d need to create fake users and send votes for them. At that point others should be able to detect it as botting, at least if the impact is big enough.
I use Summit for my reader and it keeps a total post/comment score. Seems extremely inaccurate though
You can always go through someone’s comments and add up the scores
Sounds like a fun job… :)
You can do local counts as the instance owner can see that but afaik the who voted doesn’t federate. Might be wrong I need to go back through the docs.
I read that you can see who voted on kbin, so it should be federating for that to work
If you were on a linux or heavily privacy focused community, that’ll do it. I don;t mention that I use windows, I just say I’m looking into the swap to linux.
Which is weird because majority of the gaming and corporate world runs on Windows. I dual boot my systems so I have both available.
You can tell you’re perfectly in touch with the Lemmy use base by how your comment claiming they all are evil and hate you is upvoted a lot.
Reminds me of the “Everyone on reddit is a fucking moron” style posts and comments on reddit that would have like 10k up votes lol. I think the reason for it is everyone thinks they’re the exception
Reminds me of the time I got downvoted for saying that I’m not going to pre-emptively leave Chrome due to their plans to make adblock stop working until my adblock actually stops working.
What? Off with your head!
Sorry that you feel that way but I can’t see why after checking out the comment. It has downvotes yes. But there’s only 1 out of the 5 replies that I could agree is condescending. And it’s at the very bottom. The other comments seem to be trying to be helpful (because your experience with firefox can easily be fixed). How would that make you almost delete your account? Unless I’m looking at the wrong comment.
Firefox not having tab grouping native on mobile is the sole reason I won’t switch from chrome, i run adGuard as a vpn anyway so nothing google is doing will affect me.
But also - 20 is rookie numbers, i think i broke -400 on one of my reddit comments years ago, I don’t even remember what I said, I don’t think it was even political as I lean pretty left.
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I posted a link in !technology@lemmy.ml about how mozilla had ruined firefox, damm got a hell lot of downvotes and a bunch of comments who hadn’t even watched the video going ‘hurr durr google baddd’
Probably because mozilla didn’t ruin Firefox. Like at all. And the alternative is chrome which supports a global spyware system whose goal is ad revenue at the expense of the concept of privacy.
Whoops my bad this logical argument is invalid because I’m simply “hurr durr”-ing
I use Arch btw
go sudo pkill yourself
The program go is not installed. Install it by executing:
pkg install golang
I use Arch too btw
Or a windows user…
I will say my next PC I may try to go with a nix distro after being exposed to so many of the latest features, in no small party due to the sentiment on Lemmy.
Mind you, that doesn’t mean I won’t use windows but I am curious to try. The constant bashing though has gone from slightly unexpected to annoying to now just cute.
What… That hasn’t happened to me at all.
Arch btw.
I use Arch btw.
Oh what a coincidence! I use arch too, by the way.
Not being an Arch user, I see that trend as redundant.
If half of what is said about Arch is true, the system by default tries to kill the user out of sheer exhaustion from keeping it running.
Omg you use arch???
^me ^too
Loser
True I have yet to see Lemmy being any better. Although it’s good to see that even libtards are fleeing from Reddit.
You look lost try /c/politics
Reddit teaches you to not argue with people more than absolutely necessary. It’s a waste of time. Just stop responding to them if you don’t want to talk.
no it doesn’t
Yes it does
I paid for an argument, this is just contradiction!
No it isn’t.
Nuh uh
En garde!
This is just generally true of the internet as a whole
I reported an account that was posting CP and they banned ME for report abuse and let them continue posting but removed one of their CP posts. Reddit is a cesspool.
I wonder if Reddit could be held legally liable for trafficking in CP in that case. They were explicitly told “this is CP and should be deleted” and they didn’t act.
No idea, it’s weird they reacted that way because I reported all three of the CP posts on that account instead of just the one though. Evidently they have some questionable staff.
They didn’t care for many years when /jailbait or /creepshots (pictures taken of women without their consent) was still a thing. It brought them traffic along with all their other porn subs
They only cared when advertisers caught wind of them & considered dropping out
From Wikipedia:
Communities devoted to explicit material saw rising popularity, and r/jailbait, which featured provocative shots of underage teenagers, became the chosen “subreddit of the year” in the “Best of reddit” user poll in 2008, and at one point, making “jailbait” the second most common search term for the site.[3] Erik Martin, general manager of Reddit, defended the subreddit by saying that such controversial pages were a consequence of allowing free speech on the site.[117]
Probably one of the admins alts.
Crazy to think about but maybe.
The site seems more like a piss hole.
Technically, this sub is a shit hole.
Bro imagine having the balls to give someone shit about taste while drinking your own piss
Seriously, what an asshole. Italian food is the tits.
You do realize this is a fake story right?
Nothing ever happens, and everyone is a bot but you
Solipsistic crisis intensifies
Are we the IA?
Yeah but I’ve met people who do similar things.
Knew a guy who would regularly eat what he called “hot sauce sandwiches” literally just bread with hot sauce on it.
He made fun of me for putting ketchup on my fries 🫠
I got into a reddit fight with someone claiming they never once tried to plug a USB in incorrectly. Another time I got down voted to hell because I asked someone why they go through so many pizza cutters. They claimed they went through like 7 in 3 years. Reddit was bad, but I miss the nostalgia of it. Too bad it only got worse and kicked off third party apps. .
I’ve only had 1 pizza cutter in my life ( which is my mum’s so technically none ) it’s gotta be like 20+ years old and still works to this day.
Exactly.
What’s a potato?
I got into a reddit fight with someone claiming they never once tried to plug a USB in incorrectly.
How would you know?
They claimed they went through like 7 in 3 years.
Wild guess: they eat a lot of pizza lmao
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what has autism got to do with it lmao, do you think only autistic people binge pizza?
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They were cutting pizza on a concrete block?
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Does anyone hear remember r/sinkpissers?
What… went on in that sub?
People pissing in sinks believe it or not.
Which is pretty bitchin’ really, it’s like a poor man’s urinal.
Lololol imagine thinking lemmy is better than reddit for those reasons 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have yet to have someone stalk me on Lemmy. Happened on Reddit all the time.
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What’s your opinion on* Italian sausage and parm?
The people with the presence of mind, principles, and ability to leave reddit so seem to be better. I tend to like posts here better. That’ll change as better clients, more users and better stability come online though.
A platform is as good as it’s users. I left Reddit because it turned into a shithole. I’ll do the same with Lemmy if that happens.
I actually like the multiple smaller communities here, it’s part of the charm. If you think an instance is becoming too big just go to another one.
You can’t really do that on Reddit since everyone is on the same big instance.
Also leaving Reddit is the best thing for my mental health I’ve done in a while
Your opinions on Italian food are probably wrong and I love drinking piss
Lmfao
You and your conservacuck bumchums need to go back to Reddit and stay on Twitter fantasising about elon.
“People I disagree with are probably conservative.”
Oh no, you have to say that but use the words fascist now. That’s the new norm.
Never voted GOP in my life. Try again.
I’ll take “examples of adult tantrums” for $100, Alex!
*…we still do Jeopardy jokes right…? *
The lowest dollar amount on Jeopardy! is $200 now and Alex Trebek has been dead since 2020, but yeah, I think so. Have an updoot.
Thx for the Jeopardy knowledge, Smeagol!
Sometimes it only takes one comment to know my life will be better never seeing another. Blocked
It is great when a user make it easy for you to make that decision
This is so fucking funny, thanks for reposting, OP. Rest in piss angry stranger.
There was someone who used to DM me on Reddit to remind me that I was a c**t.
I think this went on for several years until I just got tired ,reported him to the admins, and had his account banned within the hour.
Other good one was having death threats sent to me by a burner account.
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You need an email now?
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Wow, glad I left. I got annoyed because they essentially shadow ban any account on r/news without an email… never knew it was a site requirement lol.
If someone is a jerk. I block them. Life is to short for trivial people.
I’m here for discussions and not name calling or bad behavior.
In before “silencing people just creates echo chambers!” (ignoring the fact that I silenced nobody)
For those who are thinking this I have a simple question: When was the last time you invited someone that called you a slur out for a beer so you can “better understand their position”?
I don’t silence people who disagree with me. That’s an echo chamber. I silence those who can’t have a conversation. I wouldn’t invite those people out for a beer, you don’t feed the trolls.
Most my friends have differing opinions than I do. That’s cool. If they just wanted to hurl insults, I’d have nothing to do with them.
I block people when they insult me. After a warning that I’ll block them if they do it again. I think that’s more than fair of me. They pretty much always get blocked though. People who insult over the internet seem to think they can do it freely and without consequence, something they could never get away with when talking to people face to face.
Exactly. To me it’s people who want to hurl shit like a monkey. They add no value. They wouldn’t talk to you like that in person. I’m a conservative. I’m not extreme. Sometimes I’ll mention it to make sure they understand why I’m stating what I’m stating. Most people get it. A few will just randomly start with Nazi, traitor, etc. I’m about as moderate as they come. Slur calling just doesn’t add any value and I block them. If the best response to I’m a pro-choice republican is I’m a Nazi. I see no value for n speaking with that person
I add to that with: When was the last time you and your social circle IRL let someone with contrasting ideas hang out with you? Echo chambers are inevitable every space humans congregate and share ideas.
The most basic tribe of our ancestors is an echo chamber. That’s where religions and cultural traditions were born. They echo themselves so much that a belief system is born and passed on to new generations.
Like Patches O Houlahan from Dodgeball once said:
“I drink my own piss because its sterile and I like the taste!”
Not sure where that thing about urine being sterile came from, but no, it most certainly isn’t!
Stop trying to explain jokes Gary, just enjoy the fucking things and smile. If someone is done enough to believe anything from a random comment fuckem lettem nature themselves away.
It’s a common misconception
