Jesus Christ. Locking down this massive shit show.
0 empathy for americans. You deserve what you get for either not voting or voting the baffoon. Even dems deserve it for stupidly changing the candidate and AGAIN acting like they already won everywhere which makes people think “oh then I dont have to vote”
i dont think swapping biden out was a bad move. i think it could have been someone better though
you all need to learn to distinguish between the people/the government/the country
Unfortunately my country loves to copy America in everything they do so we will be walking off the cliff soon too
My desperation is not foremost about sympathy for the US, but for the consequences for international politics.
This is certainly an enormous turning point for America, but it’s also a very dark day for the outlook of the future of… well basically everything.The continuation of our species on this earth are facing problems that are more complex than can be put into a slogan or a headline, and both Trump and his voters are to dumb to understand such matters. And that’s not said in hate or anger, it’s just an observable, testable fact that they’re literally unintelligent.
Yeah its terrible for everyone else. Especially Ukrainians, Taiwanese and Palestinians. Though the last group I feel less empathy for now since they called for not voting either so they are as responsible as Trump supporters.
How about all of us who aren’t members of either party and just tried to stop Trump from getting into office? Zero sympathy for us too? Because I had nothing to do with any candidate that the Democrats chose. I just voted for Harris to stop Trump. And failed. But how is it my fault?
I voted but I will still have to endure four more years of stupid self serving idiot.
I’m most afraid of all the hangers on plotting how best to expand their agenda. At least his first term had the incompetence to prevent some of his worst ideas but that may not be true this time.
My biggest fear is for the environment. Only the EPA and California are allowed to set environmental standards and the rest of us can only pick which to follow. Hopefully my state politicians will remain steadfast, but I have no way of supporting California when they come for the environment. If California can hold and the dozen or so that follow that remain true, maybe there’s still a hope for the environment my kids will live in
When Trump was first elected, it made me realize how stupid most of the US is. The results of this election were not surprising, I even linked to the sort of self-serving articles that preceded just before Hillary-Trump’s elections to people who were doing the same in this election. At least in this election, it’s sort of like Israel, they are leaving no doubt about who they support. I don’t even care if Kamala gets the popular vote, most criticize the electoral college word only and refuse to consider gerrymandering as electoral fraud, leading to it occurring in greater and newer ways this election.
Gerrymandering is clearly electoral fraud, but
- it’s not black and white. There’s no clear line between fraud and good
- the people benefiting the fraud are the ones in control of it
- gerrymandering does not affect presidential or senate elections
Why are americans so stupid and yet manage to export so much smart stuff from tech to podcasts to scientists. Is it some sort of dystopia where 1% rules, 20% live in a bubble and 79% are just brain dead idiots?
1-America imports smart people from all over the world.
2-Technical smarts and don’t-vote-for-fascism smarts are different.
Yeah but basically everyone I follow from podcasters to tech developers are all non-idiots and I assume their following are also mostly non-idiots. Where are all of these idiots hiding? The contrast between US soft power export and actual average americans is colossal.
The podcasters you follow are not the mainstream in the US. Probably the majority of mainstream podcasters targeting men, were pro Trump in one way or the other. Either by inviting guests that were pro-Trump, or inviting quacks that are telling men that the left is taking away their masculinity.
You’re looking at and following your information bubble.
This is by design.
Yeah but almost every American I meet here traveling in SEA or Europe is a perfectly reasonable person.
Dunno I just am in such disbelief that my world experience doesn’t match reality at all. I even consider myself pretty well traveled with 20 years of experience traveling around the globe though admittedly I’ve never been to the USA yet and I fear I might not get to see Yellowstone or Big Sur ever at this point or do I even want to?
Kinda sucks to be a fan of US now ngl.
If you go to the States as a tourist the chances are that you will be just fine, it’s the living there that increasingly sucks.
The people you meet while travelling are not the average people. The average American never travels to another state, let alone to other continents… Same is true for many people in many countries: Asians visiting Europe are top % of population in wealth and brains. It’s dissapointing and depressing but fox probably gives you a more true picture of average Americans than Americans you meet while travelling.
Yes I’m perfectly familiar with “survivors bias” but never seen it so extreme.
The more conservative you are, the less likely you are to travel. The less likely you are to be open to experiencing “them”.
When I went back to my high school reunion, I tried reconnecting with an old buddy of mine. I found it a little odd that his life seemed exactly the same as in high school, but eventually he admitted that he had never been more than about 50 miles from the town we grew up in. Never left the state, much less the country. Never left the surrounding rural cluster of towns. Never flew. Not even a road trip to a coast, amusement park or city. No changes in food from what he grew up with. No people different from him. What the everliving fuck?
Joe Rogan has the biggest podcast in the English speaking world. He has been consistently pro-Trump.
He has not been consistently pro Trump, he has harshly criticized Trump in the past. But now he’s an ass-kisser like Elon. Let’s see how well that works out for them. If they can keep daddy Trump happy at the expense of everyone else.
He has endorsed Trump for three elections running.
They’re populists.
They see which way a crowd is running and jump in front, shouting “follow me!”
Why do people from Europe go and build monuments and luxury in Saudi Arabia?
Money. Same answer in the US.
The US is an oligarchy, as attested to by this Oxford study. To answer your question, mostly yes, hence places like “Silicon Valley” and institutions like the electoral college.
Interesting that was written in 2014… Before it was obvious it had all just gone to shit
It just wasn’t obvious to you.
An election was stolen in broad fucking daylight in 2000. That was the canary in the coal mine on election interference.
I fear you may have hit the nail on the head
Yes.
Then there’s us smart ones who see what’s going on, but we’re outnumbered by idiots.
Trump is not going to create a better economy. We’re gonna go into a recession and he’s going to blame it on democrats and COVID restrictions.
He’s going to increase immigration, lower wages due to cheap labor, and cause wages to go down. He said this and the retards that live in rural America think he’s going to benefit them. He’s going to reduce the power of Unions.
It’s clown world.
Yet what they’ll remember is the stock market skyrocketed
It it bad that I think that’s a best case scenario? Things aren’t looking good.
We’re going back to child labor in factories and brood mares barefoot and pregnant. Trans and brown folks are going to have a real bad time. I’m a white dude and even I’m afraid of what’s going to happen
Clown country
Ah shit. c/all is full of US election stuff now. Give me a break, just tell me the result in january.
Yep, we did it. We are Homer Simpson. D’Oh
This has gotta be fraud, there’s just no way America would choose a convicted felon over a woman… right?
- There’s no way any number of women would choose someone promising to curtail their medical rights.
- There’s no way any non-white would choose someone so racist
- There’s no way any immigrant would choose someone scapegoating their culture and promising to deport them even if they are citizens
- There’s no way anyone who has listened to his speeches would choose a gibberish idiot
- There’s no way anyone who witnessed the mess last time around would want to repeat it
- There’s no way anyone who older person would choose a known real estate grifter
- There’s no way a parent would choose anyone threatening their child’s future
I’m sure we could go on, but I just read an article that Trump did better than expected with every demographic except college educated women. How ?
Shouldn’t have supported the genocide of Palestinians, huh?
can you actually shut the fuck up right now. women and minorities have there lives on the line and all y’all can talk about is this. if kamala wins we can protest her stance. if trump wins and we protest his stance he’s already said he’ll deploy the national guard. y’all are so smug about ruining your chances of helping these people
Maybe you shouldn’t have supported genocide.
Never again means never again for anyone. Remember what you sold your soul for and try to redeem it.
Nobody’s “souls” matter anymore. The world is completely fucked and our physical bodies are going to be going through the ringer very soon. I hope you’re on the right side of the people who can now do whatever they want with absolutely no guardrails. Otherwise you’re about to REALLY experience solidarity.
Is trump going to do anything different though?
Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
If the above is true, I don’t know why anyone would bring his up. It’s like choosing between two seats on a bus. One has broken glass on it, the other has broken glass and is on fire.
Is trump going to do anything different though?
Given that the policy is already maximalist, he cannot do worse. This is what liberals have tolerated for over a year.
If the above is true, I don’t know why anyone would bring his up. It’s like choosing between two seats on a bus. One has broken glass on it, the other has broken glass and is on fire.
They are both on fire, but one is honest about it. Maybe you will actually oppose genocide now that the orange man will be in charge.
I’m not sure you understood. The fire is all of the other nonsense policies that trump comes up with, and that his party is likely to impose.
If you think selling weapons is a maximalist policy, you are very naive.
How do you know they support genocide? A lot of american voters are voting against Trump, not for this year’s insincere Wall Street spokeperson.
On the other hand, I know someone that should feel guilty about the fate of Palestinians starting January…
The IDF thanks you for your service!
Straight up fantasising death of innocents because your candidate lost. Obama, biden all of these guys were saints that maintained peace and never hurt any innocents.
How do you know they support genocide?
Because of the tenor of their comment clearly shows a tolerance for it via an investment in a genocide candidate.
Ah, yes, the fine tankie minds literally going off vibes again 👍
If Trump wins because enough of you idiots couldn’t hold your nose and vote then the blood of those Palestinians is on your hands. You don’t get to absolve yourself because you chose not to participate in democracy.
You aren’t opposed to genocide because you couldn’t be assed to do the smallest thing to mitigate it.
Neither did you. Lol. Kamala was never gonna change her stance.
Trump is gonna triple-down on the Palestinian genocide and pull all support from Ukraine and probably pull out of NATO to let Putin do whatever he wants to Europe.
He’s also promised violence against Americans who oppose him.
You’re replying to a lemmy.ml user, they almost certainly think pulling out of NATO and allowing Putin to continue his genocide in Ukraine is a good thing.
The Biden-Harris regime already tripled down on the genocide as much as is possible.
Re: Ukraine, forcing a diplomatic resolution is by far the best option for the Ukrainian people and any realistic person’s expectations of outcomes. Let’s hope they are no longer the pawns of American maximalist foreign policy.
Re: NATO, the best possible timeline is one where it ends as soon as possible.
Re: violence against Americans guess what we’re already there if you do anything worthwhile politically.
You’re sitting in a throne made of shit, and you’re feeling right at home.
They’re still gonna die under trump though, i don’t get your point
@lemmy.ml was all I needed to know.
Bit of a tangent, but this pains me every time I read this in threads.
I wanted to join Lemmy after the Reddit exodus, found out that ml was “the main one” made by the devs and joined it. Last time I carefully tried to pick an instance was Mastodon, and I hardly ever found any content. Decided to check back in the other day, and every account except for the admin’s (like less than 50) was removed for inactivity.
I’m not some far-right or Russian troll, but because most of them are on that instance everyone on it gets this reputation.
Signed, European who’s afraid that the far-right movement on his continent will turn into an ultra-far-right turbo-movement now
If your “gotcha” is that your enemies are against genocide you should do some introspection
If you are a little pink and you know it say:
The Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 happend.
No offense but you’re a fucking idiot if you think Trump would do any better
Trump: “I stopped the genocide.”
Us: “You made the genocide worse!”
Trump: “Worse? Or better?”
/Invader Zim Reference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDIgS-Soo9Q
If you like winning you should try not embracing genocide
If your “gotcha” is you prefer the genocide to get worse to “teach people a lesson”, you need to do some introspection as well.
Nah my “gotcha” is already stated: you shouldn’t accept genocide. Shame on you for doing so.
If it’s any consolation you and everyone else are likely to get a firsthand lesson in it in the near future.
Now EVERYONE is fucked. Congrats!
Rather than wishing ill upon others, try to be less accepting of genocide.
N ƿicıŋ, nœıŋ it ƿil kėm t pæſ i paṙt bikȯz v wėt Y’v dėn t U̇ A.
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Not wishing, knowing it will come to pass in part because of what you’ve done to us all.
Y hæv pleıd ė rol tėdeı, i ð suınıŋ v Pælistuın’z deþ worint. Kėŋgrætculeıcėnz, muı kin wil rimembṙ wėt Y’v dėn t U̇ f ð seık v Yuzıŋ auṙ ded f Yr ſinikėl ėbændėnment v Yr poſt difendıŋ ėgenſt auṙ greıtiſt enimız.
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You have played a role today, in the signing of Palestine’s death warrant. Congratulations, my kin will remember what you’ve done to us for the sake of using our dead for your cynical abandonment of your post defending against our greatest enemies.
You now what would be total bodacious of you? If you could say:
The Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 happend.
Nah bro. That is not what you said. You are not against genocide. You support it with a troll face.
No, I heard your gotcha. But the reality is standing to the side telling people “I told you so” is just sticking your head in the sand. You are enabling a worse genocide just for the sake of moral masturbation.
You might as well tell the people feeding the homeless they are “accepting homelessness” as well. Amounts to the same bullshit logic.
But when Trump enables a full scale genocide, you can pay yourself on the back and say “I had nothing to do with that”.
There is no worse genocide. It’s already supported to the hilt. You just support it.
Probably shouldn’t have done that, huh?
Go ahead and try to redeem your soul and see you can become a benefit to society instead.
I hope that sense of moral superiority helps you sleep at night. I hope that you are right, and that the Palestinian people won’t face a worse wrath because of your folly. And I truly hope that the road to hell isn’t paved with your good intentions. Because the way I see it, letting Trump win may well be the bell tolling on humanity, and those who stood to the side and didn’t help will have all that blood on their hands.
Thanks for the concern for my soul, but I would gladly damn it to prevent the problems we are about to face. Maybe when it gets bad, you will be willing to get yours dirty to help for a change.
Because you think you tankies are actually beneficial to anything?
Next year’s Palestinians that are going to die thanks to cheeto’s assistance would like to express their gratitude for your advocacy!
Please say:
The Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 happend.
Seriously? Fuck you. This supports the genocide of every LGBTQ+ person in all of North America, be it directly or indirectly. No one wants what is happening in Gaza. But, I have to say the potential genocide (in the complete erasure of culture as well as open murders with little to no consequences sense) here is even higher.
I have the unfortunate circumstance of being a trans woman in GA. I already have had to completely shut off most contact with people, both work and personal.
I’ve already had rocks thrown at me in an attempt to kill me (this was years ago, even). I already feel like I have to carry a gun. If things go the way they seem, I will even have to order in groceries because it will further empower the people that hate my existence.
The foreign policy is shit, no question. However, I don’t like the possibility of being raped and murdered by some asshole that thinks he understands Co² emissions after watching some video.
I have a lot to say here, especially as a very blue collar machinist. I will refrain, though.
In conclusion: by “avoiding” the genocide in Gaza (which may have been resolved), you have also doomed people like me to maybe live in fear for the rest of our lives.
If you honestly believe the situation in Palestine will be better with the Cheeto in charge of the US, then you are insane.
The US is a deeply flawed democracy, and like it or not, any choice other than voting for the Democrats, including abstaining is a vote for the Cheeto.
But you are a .ml user, so you are either trolling or a useful idiot.
Oh look, the very-serious Cheetoh dialog has arrived.
Focus on self-reflection and redeeming yourself for accepting genocide. Go do some work in your community and for humanity.
I said this before, and I’ll say it again, since both parties in the election (don’t try and claim that the greens have any hope of winning, they only serve to split the Democrat vote) seem disinterested in the horrific situation in Palestine, you pick the least bad candidate.
If you don’t, you get the worst candidate for everyone.
I am not American, but if I were, I’d pick Harris no question.
Since you are supporting Trump, tell me, how does is feel supporting a sexist, racist, convicted felon who also supports genocide?
Remember that in the US idiotic election system, any vote other than the Dems is a vote for the Reps, and any vote for the Reps is a vote for a worse society.
Oh man, if you think it was bad under Biden…
It will be the same but liberals will be less asleep during atrocities.
Lol k. I bet things get better for everyone now, huh?
If you decide to be part of the right side of history, it will help that, yes. Are you going to?
What is the right side of history, dipshit? Letting Trump annihilate the rest of the Palestinians to prove a point of having some semblance of hope that someone else might do better?
Go fuck yourself.
Oh, man. If you were happy with the genocide under Biden…
Geez if you wanna get blocked so bad just say so.
Don’t you worry now, Trump will make sure that the suffering of the Palestinian people will end quickly
It’s no fantasy, you are just in denial.
Ðı’ṙ totėlı ſėm ƿuıt kid hu’z nevṙ livd ð difrinſ.
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They’re totally aome white kid who’s never lived the difference.
I guess we’ll get to find out if there is such a thing as “worse genocide”
Not in terms of American support, you won’t. Biden is already the maximum.
We’ll see.
No this only proves the misogyny ingrained in the US. We will never allow a woman to be president.
Honestly I’m wondering if that’s why the margin Trump is winning is so “huge”. The US will never vote for a woman president. Both times Trump has gone up against a woman, he’s won. But against a man, he lost.
Absolutely. This country is way more misogynistic and racist than I realized
Ð elektoret inkaṙneıcėn v “Moṙ ƿorıd ėbaut n bııŋ kald ė bigit ðæn n bııŋ ė bigit.”
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The electorate incarnation of “More worried about not being called a biggot than not being a biggot.”
When CNN interviewed a black man at a previously Biden stronghold in Georgia, he said “women are emotional” and “I don’t think they make great leaders”
The men who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump because they were afraid of a women being in a position of power.
You’re right
Haha, yeah that’ll show em!
Now instead of having a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians you’ll have… checks notes … a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians. Wait there’s more here… doesn’t believe in climate change, a guy who actively wants to prove that vaccines don’t work actually in charge of health related shit, enabling the genocide of Ukraine (hey a whole new genocide!), pulling out of alliances and what’s this last fun one, threatening the already flawed foundations of US democracy by, among other things, threatening to deploy the military against political opponents.
Is that what winning and being morally superior looks like? Because it looks pretty awful from here.
The world: literally doesn’t care
Looking at the bright side:
-no more vaccines (never liked needles anyway) -no more fluoride in the water (who likes nice teeth anyway, plus you can get fakes installed) -never need to vote for president again (think about how much time that’ll save) -no jan 6th revolt in 2025 (maybe they will just for fun though, who knows) -perhaps Trump can fill the remaining seats of the supreme court and get a properly conservative suite of justices -Elon Musk will be our super-cool tech daddy
- No more environment (hate the outside anyway)
- No more Ukraine (the weather in Kyiv sucks and I have a gluten allergy who needs grain anyway)
- More refugees into Europe (yeah Europe is totally prepared for that and won’t cause more fascists to win European elections)
Yeah fascists in Europe turned out great the last time
Hey, maybe we in Europe will get to be the ones making a deal with the devil (Stalin then, Xi now) to get a red flag flying in the fascist capitol.
Better start working for some social points. I love surveillance cameras everywhere.
Lol we have Chinese police taking people away already. I’d also love chat control to go through. No fair that it’s only the US and the Chinese who get to dragnet the world, I want locally sourced fair trade repression. Gotta love this world.
That said, China has a lot of shit going on, but a credit system is not one of them. For example, they are actively trying to tamp down social (and physical) mobility. It’s a shit place right now, maybe it always was.
The only country I know that has a credit points system that decides a lot of the opportunities you get in life is the US.
- No more environment
That won’t be a problem. America will simply be towed outside the environment.
If only the front would fall off…
They’ve done it before and they’ll fucking do it again.
All these young new potential voters! A fresh wave of idiot!There’s no such thing as an undecided voter.
They’ve either decided, or decided to do something bad and don’t want you to judge them.
I am fucking gutted, I am so sad and angry and I don’t know what to do. I am overall a happy and positive person and believe in humanity but this win feels like it’s stripping me of a piece of that and I hate that! I hate that I feel so much hate right now, it’s exactly what I preach against, yet here I am. I can’t believe this is happening
That’s how I felt here in the UK when I woke up to see the majority voted for Brexit. Before that I thought people can’t be that dumb. Apparently they can.
Ikr… I don’t even own a car, I walk to work, take the MRT everywhere etc. and the Americans are electing a president who says “Drill baby, drill”. I’m not an American, but it will affect us all… I live in Taiwan now and I’m fucking afraid of what his presidency will do to the geopolitical balance with China.
While I have no idea how to handle China’s ever bigger presence on the world stage, I know the spiteful antagonism is not it.
I feel as you. I wanted to believe we’re better than this.
I m an atheist but I pray for you , it will be only 4 years , hope you stay safe.
Thank you, I really appreciate that. I’m essentially an atheist too (I don’t even give it a label for myself because god and religion are just not a part of my life, and I don’t need them to be). And yet somehow I feel I have exponentially more compassion and value of morality than a large swath of these people voting in a monster, acting under the guise of being “good Christians”. Maybe I’m delusional, maybe I’m the one missing something, I don’t know. I still believe in humanity, but man I’m just sad right now. Anywho, I’ll take all the prayers and positive energy for everyone that I can get right now, so thank you
More than anything I’m depressed by the precedent that this sets for the world on attitude and actions. He literally attacked and abused his way to the top. And a majority of Americans support it. Holy fuck.
