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And this is why libs are made fun of for their feckless electoralism.
Try organizing and building mutual aid networks instead of just sitting on your ass and watching.
Maybe in 4 years you’ll be better prepared.
Nobody was leftist enough for anyone this election. It was a shit show of allies with differences, fighting and calling each other Nazis. They got played by Trump, the dumbest man on earth.
I’ve had to vote for a shit sandwich in 2 elections now, just because the other option was staying home and let the fascists racists win.
Somehow to Americans. Liberal became a worse thing to be than a Nazi. Meanwhile the rest of the world who uses the Term Liberal differently, is just scratching their head watching these idiots
What KIND of liberal? There are several “liberal” variants and the two main defined variants are:
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Classic Liberalism - functionally the idea’s of the french revolution.
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Modern Liberalism - tack social justice into the mix, requiring government intervention to enforce it.
reality is, since about 1965-1970 left wing parties have been defined by the social justice bent. They have more or less been governed by an idea that they alone have the moral authority to define correct from wrong, that it is they that must define what is right wing - and over the years, a tremendous number of things, have been defined as right wing; we have seen a shift from Representatives defining laws and regulations - to regulatory agencies having the power to define the details devolved to them. We have seen the growth and bloat of bureaucracy, funded through increased taxes -and inflationary spending practices.
So the reason “liberal” is defined differently - is functionally that the definition of “liberal” has been redefined. And this reuse of terms - well: That has a storied history in a particular soviet nation. Political correctness has a very soviet history to it.
If you want to debate, and discredit a candidate based on their political stance/views and policies - ok: Do so. But maybe stop trying to define it as “nazi” - the term is ever more losing it’s weight in discussions, and that fact makes it very difficult to legitimately call out problematic entities. Because lets be clear: Trump is NOT A National Socialist - and that is a defining feature of the Nazi party.
You guys just don’t get it. It’s astounding watching this from the outside. While you argued about the new meanings you’ve given to words, and who is worthy or not of being your ally, the far right was unified and laughing at you.
Americans are on a whole other planet
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If all you do is vote then you’re a big part of the problem.
Better than staying home and bitching, and I do much more than vote, and not protest, that doesn’t work
I’m not watching
Victims are too white…
Most of the darker skinned ones were already run over further back on the track.
If only there was some🔻thing we could do.
Might be a lot smaller than a lever, but if you are a republican don’t stand there empty handed. Grab your dick and start jerking that puppy. This is what you always wanted you dumb sick fuck.
This metaphor has always been poor. Trains are locked on tracks. Harris’s campaign could have steered away from biden and his low approval rating, distance from the voters, and genocide, at any moment she wanted to. She wasnt locked on tracks. She chose to steer toward the right the entire last month of her campaign, losing a trickle of voters from her base every single day. She chose to steer away from addressing peoples complaints about reduced buying power instead of sympathizing with them. She chose to say she’d put republicans on her staff if elected, and listen to their ideas. She chose to take the AIPAC bribes. She wasnt at all locked on tracks and being forced to take that money. No one did this TO her. She did it to us.
Pretending she had no choices in order have someone else to blame for her choices is a really unfortunate takeaway, and dooms the party to continuing to think in ways that will lose. The massive unpopular – historically so even-- incumbent lost. Thats what happened.
Can we stop pretending this election was about Gaza?
It was about Gaza for a lot of us. Shall we stop pretending it was about the economy either? Shall we stop pretending Biden had some of the lowest approval polls on record for a president going into reelection and that Harris couldnt put together any departure from Bidens ideas? While we’re at it lets all pretend Biden was one of the all time greatest presidents, regardless of his approval ratings.
Any other realities you want us to “stop pretending” about, in order to make you feel better?
If you haven’t voted for Harris because of Gaza, congratulations. You sealed the fate of the remaining people living there. The US will increase their support and Bibi will feel more confident than ever. Palestine may be wiped out all together.
It doesn’t fucking matter that Harris isn’t everything you want from a president. She’s far from perfect. I don’t like her policies. The reality is that it was a choice between a conservative and a fascist. America chose fascism and the world will suffer.
Being a leftist and not voting because LoW aPpRoVaL is unbelievably irresponsible and I refuse to make excuses for people who stayed home.
You sealed the fate of the remaining people living there.
You have no data at all on that-- thats just a self serving hope to service your political ends. Biden let the zionists do whatever far right warcrimes they wanted, whenever they wanted, as much as they wanted. He didnt even defend the UN, journalists, aid workers or the Americans killed there. He continues to actively break the Leahy laws amongst many others. I am hopeful that since Trump and his followers are antisemites, maybe he wont be as bad as Biden/Harris. See? I can have self serving hopes exactly the same as you can.
All Biden/Harris offered were words that didnt match their actions and toothless red lines that were memory holed when Netenyahu laughed at them and bypassed them. Other presidents ended the same events with a simple phone call. So your painting of Biden/Harris as supportive of Palestinians is over the top ridiculous.
I’m also hopeful that some president after trump will sign onto the ICC treaty so we can ship Trump and Biden to the Hague for the prison sentence they are so richly overdue for.
If only you heard the voices of the people you campaign for, instead of deciding what was best for them from your computer…
Most likely, you’re on the track.
Unless you’re a cis straight white man…
Unless your poor.
Yeah it’s pretty nice.
They hate their own followers just as much as anybody else. Anybody who thinks the leopards won’t eat their faces is delusional.
There’s gotta be some group doing the gassing, for the other groups to be gassed.
eventually its just the same group, plus when your standards of evidence include demon stories etc even the nazis were prone to a substiantial amount of friendly fire.
The issue is that there will always be more to gas. Ask not for whom the bell tolls
Just think of the Stalinist purges. Nobody is safe.
Better also be financially well off
Who’s not openly atheist…
Lucky I’m not and would be willing to hide people if necessary.
You’re posting on here and probably other channels. The NSA, FBI, and anyone else caught up in the wholesale data collection on US citizens has a full profile on you.
Guess who now has that data?
Get out if you can.
If you can’t, go to a blue state and buy guns and ammo. Self-sort. Learn to shoot. Learn bush craft. Quit your vices. Get into shape.
If you can’t do that, I’m very sorry for your plight. Form communities where you can and try to make some sort of SHTF plan.
They’ve collected too much data and trust their algos too much. The data from lemmy isn’t nearly as easy to parse or plentiful as the data from twitter or facebook. Bitching and moaning here isn’t nearly as compromising or attention grabbing as the shit that goes on on the sites run by open fascists.
Seriously, the next time I meet some of the friends irl, I’m explaining that I wont be talking to them online without encryption involved. I ended up quitting a discord I made because they were copy/pasting their posts that was getting them banned on facebook there. Absolutely no sense of infosec. Those posts had the real names attached and now that’s associated with a discord I set up. Luckily, I was using a foreign email to register it.
Yeah encryption is a must in general but also especially going forward. I moved my group to Signal. I don’t like that it’s USA owned and run, so I’m hoping the other projects globally will start to improve interface and functionality wise. Also open to suggestions.
My daughter is queer and has never been in the closet. My mother thinks she’ll be just fine if she just goes into the closet. Not only is that unreasonable and unfair to expect of her, the internet is forever. Since she’s never been in the closet, she doesn’t make a secret of things like her first girlfriend. If they want to hunt queer people like her down, and I think they want to, they will.
I’m just glad we have a way out. I wish I could take all the other queer people with us. Especially her girlfriend and her close trans friend.
A conservative Christian straight white man. Everyone else is at risk
Affiliations can be faked.
Only if you’re exactly the right denomination too.
That one’s weird though, because they cherry pick the parts they like. So it’s a weird Baptist/catholic/born again bullshit.
the supreme court is basically all catholic. Something tells me the evangelicals will get thrown under the bus at some point
A rich conservative Christian straight white man. But rich enough that if you have any health issues, you can afford them.
I’m Canadian, but I think after next year I’ll be on our own track, only with a slightly smaller and less effective train
But there’ll be a friendly announcement apologizing to the people about to be run over, right?
You could always blow up the trolley.
Who could?
You could! With the power of reading!
For some reason now I wonder what Reading Rainbow would be like if hosted by Samuel L. Jackson.
You don’t have to take my word for it…motherfucker.
What is this gif from?
Books are amazing. Did anyone know you can get a book about being ungovernable?
Or why it’s morally okay to blow up pipelines?
Books are amazing. I imagine you could find a book for any kind of idea.
Only $103 to preorder the book to learn to become ingouvernable!
The book is about being ungovernable. Pirates are pretty ungovernable.
Sounds like you’re putting the responsibility of changing the system on everyone else.
I’m not going to be a part of the American system anymore because I don’t think it will be changed any time soon. Not for the better. Not at the risk of my child’s life.
You mean you don’t want to be a part of it.
You have to be as long as you’re a citizen.
What do you expect me to do, mail a letter to the Secretary of State renouncing my citizenship?
This is like being against the Vietnam War but criticizing the people who left for Canada to avoid the draft.
Where are you moving to? I’ve been looking, as well.
The UK. Not the best choice, but I’m a dual citizen.
Oh, that’s great. Good for you, Squid. My girlfriend and I were looking there or Spain. It’d be a nightmare to move, though.
Cor blimey
If you are from the US and you criticized people living under authoritarian regimes for not rioting hard enough, this is your time.
You still have it easy. You won’t be taken into prison for standing with a piece of blank paper. You won’t be beaten with batons and taken into custody for reciting Constitution. Yet. Go ahead before it gets there, and may you never see a true authoritarian horror.
Otherwise, all your words are not worth a dime.
The left couldn’t be bothered to vote but you think they’re going to riot?
It would have maybe been mobilizing if the election was closer, or if the Dems at least won the popular vote by 5 million again… but this defeat was thorough enough to absolutely crush the morale of anyone who leans even a little bit left. Why should I waste my time and money supporting progressive policies when some people won’t even do the bare minimum to prevent Republicans from establishing a stranglehold on our government and institutions?
If the accelerationists thought that sitting out and handing the election to Trump was going to mobilize the left I’m afraid they’re going to be disappointed. You say there’s still time, but is there? I used to think the “Trump is a fascist” rhetoric was hyperbole until J6 happened, now the proof is on video. Just engaging with these posts on a leftist site could be getting me onto a McCarthy-style blacklist that would prevent me from getting a job.
There’s also a chance that the DNC still won’t get the message and we will do it all again in 2026, 2028, and so on. I guess beatings will continue until morale improves.
Riots always start with local minority and get more and more people engaged.
America is not lost, and has plenty of people ready to take it on the streets. They just need a push. And having others around fighting for their future is the kind of push that can wake such people up. It’s way easier to join rather than start.
There’s nothing worth rioting for.
Except minority rights, healthy immigration policy, right to abortion, fair economic policy, environmental policies, and a million other things.
Except minority rights (including, but not limited to LGBTQ+, especially T), healthy immigration policy, right to abortion, fair economic policy, environmental policies, and a million other things.
Let me clarify my statement: America is over. There is nothing worth getting hurt over. Most people here seem to want what is to come. I’m planning to cut my losses if it starts coming to fruition and move somewhere more progressive.
That’s what happens to many authoritarian shitholes: progressives move and evacuate, loyalists remain. That’s how the country gets screwed more and more.
And US is a pretty high-stakes country, so losing that would be very bad.
I will be happy to lay down my life to defend the downtrodden. My 73 year old mom is married to a woman, and I’m terrified of the day they come for her.
Eh, lofty words. Your best bet is to move. This isn’t like the old civil war times. Most people want this, apparently.
Unions, equality, education, healthcare…
What would rioting do though besides serve as an excuse to ram in fascism
It will do nothing, and I personally don’t think it should be done. But as a thought experiment it shows that saying other authoritarian countries’ citizens that they just ‘didn’t riot hard enough and this are all to blame’ was a bit wrong
If it’s not gonna happen, more fascist measures will be introduced - without people’s hesitation outside Internet comments.
A solid organized riot does change the course even for most authoritarian governments, even if they happen to suppress it eventually. Politicians should feel that their position is not as solid as they would like.
But the further people prefer to not intervene, the more entrenched authoritarians become and more draconian measures are implemented. As such, the government is strongly interested in making people think rioting doesn’t help. This is part of many authoritarians’ playbooks.
55% of your countrymen chose fascism. If you don’t want fascism I think it’s time to leave.
Working on it, but for the overwhelming majority of people emigrating is a hell of a lot harder than just showing up in another country and saying “my place sucks, can I come in?”
Technically it’s not a full 55% of my countrymen, just 55% of the ones who bothered to vote. I’ll admit that’s not really a meaningful distinction though. Unfortunately, there’s also more of us who want to leave than the rest of the world can reasonably handle. I hope as many marginalized people can get out, because it’s going to be bad, especially for them. But those, like me, who are unlikely to be directly targeted due simply to being lucky enough to be born straight, white, men should probably leave those limited seats for those who truly need to leave.
The ones who didn’t vote are just as culpable as the ones who did.
Let me just leave this here:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.— Martin Niemöller https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_…
I do not mean to accuse you of staying silent, but please remember: no one is safe from fascism once it is there.
Absolutely agree. I’m only talking about the fleeing the country part. Those of us who can stay are going to have to put in a lot of work, speaking out against fascism, protecting those who cannot flee, and being generally rebellious against tyranny.
If anything those of us who happen to not be directly in their crosshairs have a greater responsibility to speak out for the groups that are going to be targeted, because it could quickly get to a point where it’s dangerous for those marginalized people to be as vocal. We cannot leave the most vulnerable to fight alone for their right to exist.
People that didn’t vote, didn’t bother either way, so my point still stands.
Why would you waste so many prison slaves?
Also, why are you all so worried? Surely the cops will protect us! That was the plan after eventually disarming the working class right? Are yall saying that the democratic party was wrong to pursue gun control?
Funny how it’s the Dems fault the conservatives elected a fascist leader.
Its the DNC’s fault. They ran a masterclass on how to lose to a dementia afflicted fascist clown.
its always the democrats fault, a brave take. Harris’ campaign was not good, but Its possible she had no chance even with a perfect campaign. There are far too many comitted nonvoters that are completely offline and don’t watch news.
The democrats as a party just don’t have the in person networks to reach people. They just send out emails and clock out thinking everyone even has an email account. Job done.
Its possible she had no chance even with a perfect campaign.
I dont think thats a reasonable assumption at all.
I think you’re just not ready to admit that the campaign had any flaws at all yet.
I mean you could read the rest of what I wrote to see thats not the case. I’m reacting to interviews with nonvoters I saw, which are shockingly unaware. Like I don’t think democrats or leftists have any media reach.
laughs like a school shooting
From your moral high ground knowing you didn’t vote for genocide
You sure showed us who’s in charge of the party. And didn’t give a shit about anything else.
Voted for Harris, btw.
I’m not trying to argue, but I honestly don’t follow. Do you mean the DNC?
This will be everyone in Gaza when rapey gets in power.
If you think like this, seek help
I think previous poster is being critical of the moral high grounders that just sold the planet out, not actually supporting that shit.
SpongeBob “We did it, Patrick!” meme energy.
Looking at their comment history, they don’t appear to be a dipshit.
You might be right. Thanks
They’re right. I was being critical of abstainers and third-party voters that refused to vote for Harris for moral reasons, allowing a far more immoral person to become President. Sorry if my comment was unclear.
“I didn’t vote for genocide.”
“Good for you. Here’s some genocide.”
Exactly. Except this genocide comes with a side of racism, sexism, and crime.
well and before the genocide was imported but now we also will have locally sourced.
Foucault’s Boomerang
LMAO. Do you really think that? You have the moral inferiority because you are part of the reason for the pain and terror getting much worse, both in Gaza and for every minority in the US. A direct consequence of you and your likeminded’s actions.
I was attempting to criticize the people who simply couldn’t vote for Harris for moral reasons, leading to a lower turnout than Biden in 2020, and allowing Trump to win.
I somehow failed to convey my point with that comment. Sorry for the confusion.
As a non-american, yup…
Except those people tied themselves to the track and started the train themselves… Completely voluntarily.
Unfortunately not true, a lot of people who didn’t vote for Neofascism will also suffer.
there’s nothing neo about this, let’s not even give them the credit of originality. This is exactly what happened 100 years ago.
Right down to the rally at MSG, next comes the night of long knives
Whilst screaming make America great again as the trolley (s) keep going
I mean you could also take the “don’t buy from US based corporations for 1 year challenge” starting january 1st 2025. Stock up on any corporate goods you need now then buy nothing for a year.
The pandemic market rallied because of a bailout after consumer spending plummeted. Would be a shame if the same thing happened and suddenly there was no emergency for a bailout to sail under.
They won’t have time and energy for persecuting people if the economy is broken.
Record/pirate a bunch of movies/shows then cancel streaming for a year. Buy any electronics now before the tariffs start. Buy surplus canned food etc. Then see how little you can spend the entire year of 2025. Planning on doing tourist stuff inside the US? Don’t. If you work at a big corporation consider deleting an important email and see what happens.
Lets fuck around.
Organize. Sabotage. General strike. Protest. Political action isn’t one day every four years.
I wonder how many fellow lefties work for Xitler’s empire who are planning sabotage ops. As long as the payload wasn’t humans, watching a SpaceX rocket spectacularly fail would put a smile on my face, knowing that silent resistance is in motion
Turn that bolt just a few degrees to the wrong direction
Syntax errors? WOMM
LFG, burn this mother fuckers scam empire to the ground
We’ll make it to Mars on our terms, once we have a home to return to
I had a chance to buy a Tesla. Chose not to. Chose a Volvo instead. All heroes don’t wear capes.
Hmm. I should buy a cape. Hey Google, remind me to buy a cape.
Yup. Robert Reich posted something that ended with “Take a moment to breathe, then let the resistance begin.”
And like, buddy, I’m sorry to say, if your resistance is only just beginning, then you are resisting the wrong thing and you will be ineffective. You should be fighting the entire empire, not just the unmasked pieces of it.
The election is your chance to ask for your preferred enemy, but if you don’t get it, your job doesn’t change.
