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I wonder, what is considered the back page of the internet? Maybe 4chan.
That’s the latrine. The backpage is porn.
While I agree this is inappropriate censorship in favor of the corpos, I thought the manifesto that people were sharing was debunked as not his? I heard (from an unverified source so I don’t have evidence) that Luigi himself stated it was not his?
There’s another one that’s longer that talks about a family member. That is the fake.
When do we all just say fuck it?
we’re here, didn’t we already?
I for sure did.
Fuck it
And before everyone starts dunking on LW, a mod has said that the manifesto would be allowed
If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.
I get where you are coming from but 1 mod saying it may be okay for them isn’t that reassuring
Someone should try and see.
Worst case that’s another post on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, and more people leaving .world for another instance
Yeah but fuck .World
I’m definitely not the biggest fan of the current overcentralization of users and communities on LW, but it’s still important to show what their stance is.
It should’ve been obvious by now whose side Reddit is on, but not even allowing neutral reporting on Luigi’s own words is a bit too establishment even for them
Wouldn’t want the LLM’s trained on reddit to be too sympathetic towards the people and antagonic against authority.
You mean that the company whose CEO caused a diaspora of users with his profit-seeking behavior may be siding with CEOs and not with the CEO killer?
Speaking of which, anyone have a copy of it they can post?
Where did he obtain the copy from? This article doesn’t provide any source info to follow up on.
He is known for doing this stuff, as per the FOIA section of the wiki. He also leaked Luigi’s CV: https://substack.com/home/post/p-152869227 Journalists have the right to protect sources.
Ken is harkening back to the old old school of journalistic credibility - “trust me that I’ve checked it out, and it met my standards of credibility and verification, but I won’t burn my source by revealing them”
The rub is discerning when a journalist/institution is lying/repackaging corporate or government press releases as “reporting”. Substack is a good way to free journalists of a corrupted editor, but they can also suffer from algorithmic/audience capture that incentivizes certain reporting - ie. hugbox news.
That’s it? I guess the idea is to suppress it to hope that this goes away sooner?
I mean, yes, it technically fits the definition of manifesto, but the word that comes to mind a “blurb”.
I wonder if Ted Kaczynski or anyone else’s manifestos along anti-corporate-establishment lines are being censored. If not, maybe it’s because they’re a little less digestible. If so, then maybe some articles by Elizabeth Rosenthal.
Thank you!
Is there any reliable source for this? I’ve heard there’s a fake one floating around, not sure if one is confirmed.
And this doesn’t say a whole lot.
This is who posted it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Klippenstein
I’d say you can trust the source here.
Anywhere we can see a scan of the original? I’m very curious about the “indecipherable” bits, and it would also be very interesting to see what the handwriting looks like.
we have no choice
You are working for free moderating an obviously heavily censored shithole. You have several choices, starting with deleting your account. Fucking assholes.
Deleting their account doesn’t change the rules, only the person enforcing them.
It’s like Wargames. The only way to win is not to play.
i like the challenge.
I’m seeing a pretty obvious parallel to Luigi’s actions in your statement. I don’t think it’s as straightforward as you’re making it out to be
Communities become ghosttown shitholes when the moderators work against good faith discourse.
Not the same day new shill mods are installed, but within a few months. It poisons everything.
Banning the creators/mods of a sub is banning the people that care most about that sub, and tends to lead to installing mods that are just looking to flex power, which makes the posts and discourse toothless, repetitive, and uninsightful, which makes regulars look for a new home, if they themselves are not banned for failing to regurgitate the only correct opinions as endorsed by the new mods tasked with bringing order.
Reddit has come forth saying they will not tolerate mods that try to destroy communities like it happened before. If a mod deleted their account, someone else will take their place. If a mod deleted a popular subreddit, Reddit will restore it and ban the mod. Deleting their account does literally nothing.
Deleting their account does literally nothing.
bullshit excuse. Deleting their account removes them from the equation, makes a statement that they are not enablers of the corporate shithole.
Eh. Sure. But ultimately makes no difference in the matter. You can’t make a statement when you’re literally irrelevant.
Speak for yourself. Speaking up against what one perceives as wrong and distancing themselves from it is absolutely relevant. Using your logic, you might as well “not vote” because “1 vote out of millions is kind of irrelevant”.
Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.
Which I know will never happen, but that’s what it’ll take.
Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.
The thing any sub with big following has mods that don’t mod for free.
The narrative steering is not a free service.
Interesting, and something I never thought of.
What a dookie instance. Can’t believe I spent over a decade in that corporate zoo
I mean, it didn’t start as one, but it morphed into one over time. Early Reddit was pretty great.
Yeah I wasn’t aware of the ol platform enshitification pattern. Hardly anyone was - probably the creators and administors of reddit weren’t entirely aware either.
We were just a bunch of folks on the net trying things.
platform enshittification
It was called Eternal September back from Usenet days when the Internet was mainly an academic thing and every September old users braced for an influx of freshmen starting new academic year and getting access to newsgroups. I was aware shit was reddit’s final form even back in 2006. I’m actually surprised the shareholders left it unmolested for so long.
That wasn’t enshittification, just an influx of inexperienced users. Once the corporations got involved, that’s when enshittification truly began.
When the students came in and got on Usenet, that was just regular September. Eternal September when AOL or CompuServe, or one of those added Usenet. It was like the kids never had to leave at the end of the academic year.
Except for all the child abuse of course
It wasn’t always like that. The real shitshow only started when Huffman took over.
So can I post something that’s NOT Mangione’s manifesto and just change a word or two?
It’s reddit. You can do anything you want as long as you love the taste of boot.
“To Nintendo, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect the legacy of what you’ve built. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary research, basic plumbing know-how, and a lot of patience. The notebook, if recovered, has some scattered notes and plans that outline the gist of it. My toolkit is pretty locked down because I’ve spent years perfecting my craft in fixing leaks and navigating pipes, so there’s likely not much info there. I do apologize for any disruption or shock caused by my actions, but it had to be done. Frankly, these corporate overlords simply had it coming.
A reminder: Nintendo has long been a giant in the gaming industry, but for decades, the reality is that they’ve leveraged their power against not only creators but their own loyal fans. The restrictive policies, the aggressive legal tactics, the artificial scarcity—all these tactics are designed to extract immense profits while stifling innovation and community-driven creativity. It has grown and grown, but as the freedom for creators? No, the reality is, this company has simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to exploit their position because fans and consumers have allowed them to get away with it.
Obviously, the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly, I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have highlighted Nintendo’s tactics—shutting down fan projects, ceasing the production of beloved games without explanation—decades ago, and yet the problems persist. This is no longer an issue of awareness; it is a question of unchecked power. Evidently, I am the first to challenge it with such brutal honesty.”
… Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the most expensive air travel system in the world, yet we rank poorly in customer satisfaction and on-time performance. United is one of the largest airlines in the US, behind only American and Delta in fleet size. It has grown and grown, …
What a timeline to live in
What a time to be alive!
It’d be a real shame if spez got Luigied…
I don’t want him to die, I just want him and all his financial supporters to be destitute and penniless.
…in a video game.
by Luigi
This revolution needs to get real French, real fast…
The beauty of the civil rights movement was that on the one side you had the peaceful protests, the disobedience pointing at the other side where activists wanting the same thing and more weren’t so peaceful. The peaceful protesters were the compromise. The alternative was a black revolution, the black panthers, Malcom X etc.
Even those who don’t want a full French Revolution right now should at least push for peaceful protest. We need this “or else” approach. We shouldn’t let it go to waste.
You know that one ended with the reign of terror followed by the crowining of a monarch that then embroiled the entire European continent in war, right?
You know it ended millenniums of monarchy and bought in democracy?
Some people are willing to make risks to see change and improvements. The others are called conservatives.
I think it was a good thing in the long run, I’d just like people to temper their bloodlust a bit, lest we fail to learn any lessons from the past. It’s easy to let righteous indignation morph into something distinct but just as shitty as the thing it replaced.
You replied to an accelerationist. Don’t threaten them with a good time. lol …or try to teach them; they’re likely a reactionary, too
If this isn’t the spark, considering the momentum it has, nothing will ever “get French” for them.
For a supposedly gun infested and ultra violent country, there is an eerie calm lasting for decades.
Most probably this was a one time thing?
Am I reading Europeans goading my country into class warfare?
I feel it’s more like ‘nothing ever happens until it does’ statement that I read about. Basically there is a lot of build up that seems like nothing is happening. Then it reaches critical mass and things change. Think the US civil war. The US wasn’t going to free slaves. There was more uprisings and events, like John Brown and Nat Turner, and nothing was going to change. Until it did.
The majority of people have been voting for pure privatization of healthcare, any “uprising” in the shithole USA over this would be minor.
“we have no choice but to follow Reddits guidelines”
There’s another choice, but that would require you to look past reddit.
We will tolerate these beatings because we are still in love with the assaulter.
Oof… Yeah I mean… yeah. That’s a pretty apt description of how the world is where it is now.
No, actually because they’re hoping the assaulter will pass the bat once they get tired
Trickle down batonomics
Not that the mods are aware, but if Reddit disappeared tomorrow, I (sadly) suspect most users would go to Twitter or various Discords.
shithole 1 or shithole 2.
What if we made a new shithole?
Discord I can see but someone who isn’t on twitter in 2024 would look for an alternative to Reddit there…? I don’t see the logic.
I’ve thought about it as some of my niche interests have dried up on Reddit and apparently only live on Twitter now.
And maybe Discord. It’s hard to tell because it’s closed, but I see hints of discussion spilling out into GH issues or whatever.
I despise both for different reasons, but where else am OlI gonna go if I actually want to talk with the community?
Blue Sky, mastodon, lemmy, maybe threads. Hell, HN if they’re programmers.
I don’t like threads but I’d say it’s more likely than shitter
I still use Twitter. It has a pretty awesome metal community. People I’ve shared music with for many years now.
They even have to leave, they just have to ignore the admins and become ungovernable.
But they won’t, because they’re cowards.
Didn’t lemmy.World admins also have an issue pinned earlier?
Yeah we’re not allowed to discuss jury nullification.
Not true - we’re just not allowed to discuss jury nullification in the context of encouraging someone to commit a violent felony which includes the promise of absolution through jury nullification.
Or something, idk. It was kinda weird.
Jury nullification as two English words that can be spoken one after the other, however, is perfectly allowable.
I think this is going to cause de-federation.
A legal part of the justice system cannot be discussed?
You can for past crimes, not future crimes.
The whole statement: https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyworld
About the manifesto
If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13922763
On the other hand, there is !AskUSA@discuss.online that got created recently. This thread can interest you, it talks about jury nullification: https://lemmy.world/post/22973877
Not an American and we don’t have jury system here.
What’s jury nullification and any notable cases where it was applied?
To determine whether or not an accused individual is guilty there are two primary options in the USA. A trial before a judge who makes the decision, or a trial by a “jury of your peers” where the whole jury must agree that the individual is guilty. A jury of one’s peers means that the people selected to hear the case are selected from the general populace and have no substantial connection to the accused. For example, you wouldn’t put the person’s mother on the jury. The jurors are not required to be lawyers or experts in any field. Just average people.
If you just wanted some people to take the facts of the case and the facts of the law and determine whether or not the accused was guilty, then you would want experts and lawyers on the jury. That’s how trials used to be hundreds of years ago. A judge, often appointed by a king, would pass sentence over the peons brought before him. Since our legal system has average everyday people as jurors, clearly they are supposed to do more than that.
This is where jury nullification comes in. The jurors not only judge based on the facts of the case, but also on whether or not the law in question is just. If an individual is accused of a crime, and is clearly in violation of the law, the juror can still find them not guilty if the law in question is unjust. In essence, the jurors nullify the law by refusing to convict. For example, during the prohibition era, it was not unheard of for juries to return not guilty verdicts for people accused of selling or transporting alcohol. The jurors thought the laws was wrong so they refused to convict. A much more tragic example was in the deep south where jurors would sometime refuse to convict people of lynching black people.
!lemmyworld
We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.
Anyone with integrity left reddit on July 1st, 2023
Hidden Donuts, why are you hiding?
I am? Or am I missing a joke here? Wouldn’t be the first time
Hidden files on Linux start with a period.
Lemmy has to be one of the very few places on the internet where a Linux based joke isn’t considered obscure.
In Linux, putting a “.” before a file/folder name hides it. ;)
Ah shit my cover is blown, never used Linux
There’s no hiding it. They can tell by your socks.
./Ha_ha
On Lemmy. Never used Linux. Your story doesn’t add up!
There’s dozens of us, DOZENS
I’ve only used Linux when I used Retropie, does that count?
You plant shit seeds, you get shit weeds. I hate the fact that Reddit has grown since I bailed over for API changes. It hurts my soul knowing I did the right thing and bailed but the vast majority of people who were pissed off at Reddit ended up back on the platform.
There is no reason for removing content like this unless an individual is specifically inciting violence, calling for murder, etc. just like always has been the case. Ridiculous policy and frankly worthy of locking down Reddit again.
Fuck Reddit. Glad I left that shit hole.
What do you think of this one?
lol love it
Spaz gonna help his ceo friends
FYI, the S word is increasingly seen as a slur.
If we just send all the offensive words into the memory hole then people will stop thinking bad thoughts about groups of people. We can erase it right out of history and everything will be better. Control the language, control the thoughts. Thanks Ministry of Truth! 🥸
Uhh…so you know language is like, a social construct, right? As people have come to realize, “spaz” was originally used to describe people with “spastic” movements from conditions like spastic paralysis or cerebral palsy, it’s fallen out of favour.
That’s all. No one is trying to control you or suppress your language. It’s just not a great word, and the language you choose reflects on your perceived character by others.
That said, I’m not here trying to police your speech, speak as you will.
Since you clearly missed it, “spaz” was just a typo of /u/spez, the CEO of reddit.
You know, the first thing I do in the morning when I wake up really should not be get on Lemmy.
Bruh what. I’m not trying to control anything. Just offering an objective fact that you can use how you see fit.
It was just a typo of spez
Better than Spez… crap I said it!
He’s a spastic moron so the name fits wonderfully.
Speztic
Honestly I kinda wonder if he’s afraid for his own life. He had a lot of people calling for his head last year, and this kind of overreaction seems pretty in line with somebody who is just beside themselves with terror.
Case in point: this was briefly on the latest r/place before it was removed.
Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…
As if people complaining and stopping using your platform was already grounds to think your life was over. He’s absolutely paranoid and this likely is just straight up eating him inside since this was more real.
This is absolutely his response and thinking that it does anything to protect himself to protect his caste.
I hope he pulls an Oedipus Rex and tries so hard to avoid killing his dad and fucking his mom that he accidentally kills his dad and fucks his mom.
He is only creating a Streinhand effect.
Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…
I’m sure he thought to himself “I’m getting so much negative feedback and hostile attention that everyone else must be experiencing the same thing… right?”
I forgot about that! “Everyone loves us, but maybe for your safety don’t tell anyone you work here.”
And this is the guy who said he’d be in charge and possibly owning slaves after society collapses. What an absolute clown! LMAO!
he did?
I misremembered exactly what he said, it was “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”
Source is from a 2017 interview: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
iv’e seen some of his pretty shitty old posts on reddit but im not suprised.
conformist shitstains…
regime whoring
